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Old 06-24-2017, 11:35 AM
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Adopt/amend/repeal are the actions DOJ is requesting be taken on each proposed regulation. It's not a determination, until it says "approved" or "disapproved".
Ahh, okay. Thanks for the explanation.
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Old 06-24-2017, 11:49 AM
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Anyone remember a long time ago, we were trying to figure out whether or not OAL could approve some regulations while disapproving others from the same regulation set? We never really came up with a definitive answer on that, as OAL only really seemed to have a history of approving "all or nothing".

Anyways, if you look at their list of recent actions, Board of Forestry and Fire Protection had a number of regulations approved, while 1 was also disapproved.

So it's possible (but how likely, I have no idea) that OAL could accept some of the less egregious regulations and reject the ones that are obvious oversteps.
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Old 06-24-2017, 12:43 PM
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Looks the same as before to me
OK, now I am completely confused. When searching the site for department of Justice, the sections affected didn't come up, making the entry look like it had been pulled.

But, scrolling through the entire list of entries, the same DOJ listing shows all sections still in play.

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Their website has a history of being a tad bit glitchy. Earlier this year, they had moved all the regs into the "recent actions taken" section by mistake, then moved them all back a few days later. The PDF versions are generally more reliable than the web page table.
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OK new thought . What if you are using a RAD lock BB . can you register it then adjust the lock to operate with out a tool ?
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Ask again in 2 days, until then we don't really know.

(It's been asked before, and people have argued both sides without really coming to a consensus, but all will be more clear once the regulations are actually in place. Until they are, we don't know which regulations will be published or how they'll be applied)
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OK new thought . What if you are using a RAD lock BB . can you register it then adjust the lock to operate with out a tool ?
That's been discussed ad nauseam. No one knows. It's seems like you would be able to register it but it's probably not ever going to be allowed to be put into the standard mag release position. It's similar to attaching a magnet button, it's just not kosher.

Monday is the day, and it's one of the final chances they have to be objective and halt this 6 month delay of pure stupidity and illegal underground regulation and underground law. Hopefully, they do not automatically get everything that they asked for.

If the regs go into effect on Monday, in my opinion it dooms the registration process to a meager showing and a disaster legally for the state on many levels. Maybe it's a good thing, because it makes it so much harder for them in the long run, but I still have some small hope that someone will come to their senses and say no, this is illegal.
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well. today is the day. anxiously awaiting the news...
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well. today is the day. anxiously awaiting the news...
Today is Decision Day, but we probably won't know what happened until tomorrow morning.

OAL only updates their website once per day, first thing each morning, so it doesn't include anything that happens later in the day.
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Yea and it looks like they've already released the PDF for today with the assault weapon stuff not even on the document
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So basically we don't find out until tomorrow morning.....

Caliguy...I can't find it either now. I normally go to the PDF and use the keyword "bullet" to find it but it doesn't exist in the document. Strange.
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So basically we don't find out until tomorrow morning.....
Yep, unless someone happens to be able to get some insider information before then.

Last time around, back in Feb, I believe we did actually hear about DOJ withdrawing the regs at the end of the day, rather than the next morning, but I don't recall how.
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Word from the DOJ info contact is that the OAL has the end of the day to decide. The contact indicated that there were high level discussions about this over the last weeks, and it was all the way up the ladder. The contact could not say whether there was any more or less discussion than is usual or if the OAL had any problems with anything. But it did sound like this was above many peoples pay-grades and being decided behind closed doors at the AG level.

I'd look for an announcement later today or tomorrow morning. It might come out of the media before we get anything on the gov websites.
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Word from the DOJ info contact is that the OAL has the end of the day to decide. The contact indicated that there were high level discussions about this over the last weeks, and it was all the way up the ladder. The contact could not say whether there was any more or less discussion than is usual or if the OAL had any problems with anything. But it did sound like this was above many peoples pay-grades and being decided behind closed doors at the AG level.

I'd look for an announcement later today or tomorrow morning. It might come out of the media before we get anything on the gov websites.
Thanks for the update. I know everyone is antsy to hear what's going to happen.

With the Peruta news earlier today, hopefully we'll hear something positive for once.
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With the Peruta news earlier today, hopefully we'll hear something positive for once.
I'm scared that the Peruta news will just embolden them.
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"Supreme Court accepts gay wedding cake case, denies guns case" - Headline

Makes me sick. Access to cake is more important than defending your life.
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I'm scared that the Peruta news will just embolden them.
In general yes, but I think whatever decision they're making with these regs was already made before today.
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"Supreme Court accepts gay wedding cake case, denies guns case" - Headline

Makes me sick. Access to cake is more important than defending your life.
Everyone has a right to gay cake. It's right there in the Constitution, just ask any liberal.
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They unanimously overturned the Fourth Circuit on the immigration ban. Thomas and Gorsuch will continue to push for Peruta. Things can still swing our way, but we have to wait.
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