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Old 06-19-2017, 6:27 AM
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Hello. I'm looking into a bolt action rifle. I like the 223 but I wanted something that punches pretty good. I considered the 308 but darn, ammo is expensive.

The average price for a 223 that I've been paying is $0.37 per round while the 308s run for nearly $1. What caliber do you suggest?

I'm looking into either a Remington, Savage or Howa rifles.

By the way, how are Howas? From what I heard they're Japanese made. I think the Japanese makes the best cars on earth. Not sure about guns. Any insights?
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7.62x54R. Cheap mil-surp ammo for plinking and decent availability of good hunting ammo (although the mil-surp is getting hard to come by and is becoming more expensive).

How much punch do you want? Why do you want that much punch? It is likely that .223 is all you'll need (unless you're looking to shoot animals and/or farther than 600 yards).

You certainly don't need to spend more than $0.35/round for .308, buy it all up before you can't have it shipped to your house.

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7.62x39 - $5 a box, big enough for deer or pigs out to 300yds. Russian rounds by the case are the cheapest.


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Every now and then I hear of someone making or converting a rifle to fire .45acp.
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First question is, what are you going to use it for? Once we know the answer, we can provide useful suggestions.

For hunting deer and similarly sized game, a .308.

For shooting squirrels, a .223 or .22 LR or .17 HMR are good choices.

For coyotes, a .308 or a .223 with heavy bullets.

For plinking, either a .223 or a .22 or a .17 HMR.

There are lots of other choices, but with the exception that I use a .30-06 in place of a .308, I've recommended what I would do.
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When looking at ammo costs, you need to compare apples to apples. The cheap Russian ammo is going to be steel cased, with a bi-metal jacketed bullet that you won't be able to shoot at many ranges.

I frequently see .223 around 32 cents per round, and .308 under 60 cpr- haven't seen the ZQI .308 lately, but it was 50cpr. Brass case 7.62x39 is 50 cpr at a minimum.

With a bolt action, you don't have the tendency to blast away hundreds of rounds every trip to the range, so ammo cost doesn't affect you to the same extent as shooting a semi-auto would.

The low Internet prices are surely going away with the new ammo laws taking effect next year. Pick something soon and stock up, whatever you choose.

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When looking at ammo costs, you need to compare apples to apples. The cheap Russian ammo is going to be steel cased, with a bi-metal jacketed bullet that you won't be able to shoot at many ranges.

I frequently see .223 around 32 cents per round, and .308 under 60 cpr- haven't seen the ZQI .308 lately, but it was 50cpr. Brass case 7.62x39 is 50 cpr at a minimum.

The low Internet prices are surely going away with the new ammo laws taking effect next year. Pick something soon and stock up, whatever you choose.

You just gave me anxiety haha!
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308 you can get for pretty cheap. If you are looking at $1 you aren't looking hard enough.
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OP you need to pick up reloading, 2018 is just around the corner
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Mossberg MVP is a .223 bolt action that uses regular AR-15 mag.
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7.62x39 Stop here.

I just picked up a Howa in 7.62x39 and I am thrilled.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...2x39-mm-rifle/
Do you have any of the Howa 10 round mags?

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Mossberg MVP is a .223 bolt action that uses regular AR-15 mag.
It took nearly a decade but here it is
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Do you have any of the Howa 10 round mags?

Been curious about the function and quality.
Yes, the 10 round is what it came with. The stock is great, I believe houge. It is a short action or "Mini action" as Howa calls it so it is a very short stroke.
only issue would be finding more mags, the 7.62x39 is same as the 6.5 grendel so you are sharing purchases with those guys too. lol

The Mossberg in 223 is also beautiful and they make a flex version that takes a standard stock or an AR based pistol grip and adjustable stock, takes standard AR mags, wonderful Bolt to add along with your AR on trips.
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30-06 can be had from 50 cents a round on up.
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OP you need to pick up reloading, 2018 is just around the corner
Thats the best advice in the long run
Reloading is cheaper in the long run and you can tailor a round to your individual rifle

Your question isn't very specific

Punching what? holes in paper, and animal (what kind) or a person or zombie?

Since we don't know its a hard question to answer

Also at what distance and thru what kind of rifle (tactical, target, hunting)

Need a little more to go off but with and initial expenditure of money (3 to 5 hundred) you can get into reloading and ending up saving money in the long run.
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50-54 caliber round lead balls for a non inline Muzzle loader. Cheapest ammo anywhere. Makes big holes.
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Hello. I'm looking into a bolt action rifle. I like the 223 but I wanted something that punches pretty good. I considered the 308 but darn, ammo is expensive.

The average price for a 223 that I've been paying is $0.37 per round while the 308s run for nearly $1. What caliber do you suggest?
I've been getting some factory .223 for .24+ lately and .308 for .55 and up... even Federal Gold Medal Match for $15.99 shipped (.80). Not horrible. 5.56 is typically M193 cans like CBC or PMP, American Eagle, Norma Tac 55 grain.

Running out of chances to use online coupon codes and giftcards though. Stock up during the July 4th specials. Might be one of the last.

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7.62x39 Stop here.

I just picked up a Howa in 7.62x39 and I am thrilled.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...2x39-mm-rifle/


Great choice! Better (hunting) ballistics than a 223 and cheaper and more readily available ammo than a 308


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I need to get a chamber insert for my old Spanish Mauser to shoot 7.62x39... but there's always the Romanian SKS.
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12 gauge slugs?

I can't think of anything that has a punch and is cheap.


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308 you can get for pretty cheap. If you are looking at $1 you aren't looking hard enough.
Yep. Even Sierra MatchKing can be had for .75/rd, and that's good ammo. Cheapo ammo can be readily found online for .45-.50/rd, which isn't that much more than 5.56.

That said, .30-06 is my choice for a medium-power bolt rifle cartridge. .300 Win Mag is awesome too.
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Seems like there are more AR options in 10mm auto, but I didn't search very long.
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Not going to find much that's less expensive than 308 for full power. Get better at shopping!
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7.62x39 Stop here.

I just picked up a Howa in 7.62x39 and I am thrilled.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...2x39-mm-rifle/
This little guy is on my very short list, and the bore is .311 so cheap blasting ammo should be great.
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7.62x54 at 25 cents per round it is roughly equivalent to a 30-06 round. Cheap and you can even pick up a cheap gun to shoot it with.
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Learn to reload and go for the 30-06 and never look back. It is unquestionably the most versatile cartridge and popular hunting round ever and can be loaded with bullets from 85 grains up to 200+. There is no game that can't be taken on the North American continent with the 30-06. It beats .308 hands down.
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7.62x54 at 25 cents per round it is roughly equivalent to a 30-06 round. Cheap and you can even pick up a cheap gun to shoot it with.
Please point me in the direction of the 25cpr 7.62x54. I think you haven't bought any in a while.
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This seems to be good punch.

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Thing about x39 is that after about 200y the projectile drops like a bag of bricks. 308 is pretty plentiful and reload friendly for after 2018. Plus you can reasonably reach out to 800y with it.
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Geesh it looks like spam cans have pretty much dried up. I haven't looked in a while. I guess what I have is gonna be my lifetime supply for the Mosins. That's all Sportsman's Guide was good for back in the day - picking up cans for $75. I have a bunch of standard 440's and one can of the Heavy Ball I got from the LGS for around $140.

SG has that price on 1967 reloaded Yugo stuff.

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Geesh it looks like spam cans have pretty much dried up. I haven't looked in a while. I guess what I have is gonna be my lifetime supply for the Mosins. That's all Sportsman's Guide was good for back in the day - picking up cans for $75. I have a bunch of standard 440's and one can of the Heavy Ball I got from the LGS for around $140.

SG has that price on 1967 reloaded Yugo stuff.

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I guess so. I see SG has some 1980's cans but they are $145 each plus shipping. I still have one "com-bloc" advertised can from way back that I paid $30 for from Century or one of those outfits. Crappy stuff from what I recall opening one of the two I had, but it is something. The bulk of my stash is the 1980's Russian stuff IIRC. That'll have to do. Maybe I'll have to start buying the good stuff for the M39 someday.
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There is no game that can't be taken on the North American continent with the 30-06.
Amen, brother. Turns out the only kinds of African game where a bigger caliber is typically recommended are the animals I have no interest in (lion, hippo, giraffe, buffalo). Wildebeest are really tough animals - shoot them perfectly and they still run and carry on a bit. Both of mine were one shot kills with a .30-06.
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I have 223, 762x39, 762x54R, but my main hunting rounds are 270, 30/06
all depends on what you want to do.
223 is most fun.
x39 is fun and hits harder up close. it is an accurate round of out a bolt action such as cz 527. Problem is it just start to drop fast after 200.
the 54R kicks like a mule and will give you the most kick for the buck.
308 is probably the best bet regarding modern rifle and accuracy on the cheap
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