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Old 08-12-2018, 10:14 AM
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Playing around with Trail Boss and X-Treme plated bullets with my .308
whent out to put some down range Fraday and had alot of fun, literally thought I was shooting a .22.
Anyone else tried this? Pretty cool.
13.6 grain of IMR Trail Boss, X-Treme 150 grain FP .308
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Old 08-12-2018, 11:43 AM
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With my ‘06, yes. A lot of fun. And it’s a great thing for milsurps. Reduced loads have been around forever. In fact, unique powder was originally developed as a garrison round powder, a reduced load for guards on post. And people have been shooting the ubiquitous “10 grains of unique” charge with cast bullets for ever. Old Lyman manuals have lots of data for reduced loads.

But they all use cast bullets. The cool thing about trail boss is that it works for jacketed too.

One thing about trail boss you have to keep in mind. Do not compress it. Always make sure there’s space in the case.


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Playing around with Trail Boss and X-Treme plated bullets with my .308
whent out to put some down range Fraday and had alot of fun, literally thought I was shooting a .22.
Anyone else tried this? Pretty cool.
13.6 grain of IMR Trail Boss, X-Treme 150 grain FP .308
I've done it with my Mosin rifle (54r) and my 223.

It is fun. Also; if you ever end up with a bad batch of primers that are too soft (or a box of plated bullets) it is something you can use them with.

Was using 800x.
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Old 08-12-2018, 10:20 PM
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Lots of fun. Try doing 300 black out, that's fun too. It can be hard to get gas guns to run smoothly at times

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Other suitable powders for reduced rifle loads:

Alliant Red Dot
Alliant Promo
Hodgdon Titegroup
Hodgdon Clays
IMR 700-X
Ramshot Competition
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I'm all for reduced 308 loads. I have typically shot H4895 really low (about 35 grains) below manual starting loads. They actually cycle my LR308 well. And, accuracy was very close to 1 MOA in a semi-auto.

I'm curious about the accuracy of the plated bullets. Please led some experience here. The cheap bullets I shoot are the Hornady 150 FMJBT.
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Old 08-13-2018, 2:05 PM
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9 grains of trailboss with any 165-200 grain bullet is my go-to 308 sub load. Very fun.
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I'm all for reduced 308 loads. I have typically shot H4895 really low (about 35 grains) below manual starting loads. They actually cycle my LR308 well. And, accuracy was very close to 1 MOA in a semi-auto.

I'm curious about the accuracy of the plated bullets. Please led some experience here. The cheap bullets I shoot are the Hornady 150 FMJBT.
I hit the 100 yard gongs consistently at angeles with a Mosin / 54r using xtreme plated bullets. Haven't tried more specific targets.
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Not 100 yard shots, this was only at 50 but it was fun!

This 5 shot group was shot out of my 24" Remington 788 bought brand new for $119 in 1978.
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Can I ask a silly question?
I want in on the fun so here goes.
What is "fun" about going subsonic on large caliber rounds?
I'm ready and willing to load sub sonic. I just want to know why.
On my 6.8spc, I'm always pushing the upper limits to find out how fast I can go before swipes, so the other end of the spectrum intrigues me.
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Not 100 yard shots, this was only at 50 but it was fun!

This 5 shot group was shot out of my 24" Remington 788 bought brand new for $119 in 1978.
That’s cheating because a Remington 788 is inherently super accurate.
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Can I ask a silly question?
I want in on the fun so here goes.
What is "fun" about going subsonic on large caliber rounds?
I'm ready and willing to load sub sonic. I just want to know why.
On my 6.8spc, I'm always pushing the upper limits to find out how fast I can go before swipes, so the other end of the spectrum intrigues me.
It is almost like having a whole different gun.

People buy 22LR uppers for ARs. Its is something like that but just by using different ammo.

Also; less punch to the shoulder... as in none. They are probably good training rounds for new people...

Last of all; it is a way to use reloading stuff that won't work for regular rounds. Ended up with plated bullets that can't handle regular rifle powder? Or soft primers that would pierce with regular ammo recipes? Or some shotgun or pistol powder you don't know what to do with? Well; here you go. I had two of the three above so I started looking for subsonic recipes. Then when I started to use the rounds I found I enjoyed using them.
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Interesting.
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Old 08-15-2018, 8:29 PM
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That red dot load is interesting. I've got a dozen lbs of it I've been trying to use up in 9/40/38/45.

308 would make it go quicker.
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Is there published data for reduced loads? Asking because I can’t find any info in my manuals
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I am using 10.3 grains with a 180 Sierra and good accuracy.
The reason I like the reduced loads is they are very quiet have no recoil and your brass lasts forever.
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Can I ask a silly question?
I want in on the fun so here goes.
What is "fun" about going subsonic on large caliber rounds?
I'm ready and willing to load sub sonic. I just want to know why.
On my 6.8spc, I'm always pushing the upper limits to find out how fast I can go before swipes, so the other end of the spectrum intrigues me.
Just like seeing how fast you can go and still be accurate, it's fun to see how slow you can lob a bullet accurately. IF I had a suppressor, this would make an excellent hog hunting load. You could shoot a pig and maybe not spook the whole bunch away. With a 200g bullet, the round will hit hard enough to do the job.

With lighter bullets, it's tougher to stay subsonic because you want the pressure to be > about 10,000 psi for a good clean burn. That promotes consistency. A smokey, sooty charge will likely produce big variations in muzzle velocity and accuracy can suffer.

I don't have a suppressor but if I ever get one for hunting, I know that I have a starting point for some good hunting loads.
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