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There's a guy selling a new Colt bcg $127 on Cal guns marketplace grab it. I've scored on an Lmt semi bcg for a similar price on cg marketplace also
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...g#post20202729 |
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The last couple regular BCGs I bought were PSA premium, without logo. On sale for $90 or so shipped. No problems.
I also bought an AIM nitride LW BCG for a LW build, it is very nice, runs great so far. Few shops if any make their own BCGs in-house. Toolcraft is supposed to be a major supplier. If I was looking to buy today, I would consider this or this. Stick with good brands and you will get good quality. I have bushmaster (pre-remington), RRA, PSA, and now AIM, all with no problems. All but my AIM are phosphated, with C158 bolts. It's what .mil still uses, for a reason. Last edited by God Bless America; 06-07-2017 at 6:08 PM.. |
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I think an easy tell is the bolt material. Carpenter 158 is mil spec. 9310 is not. Having looked into the two, there's not much difference between them in physical properties. However, if the bolt isn't mil-spec, what else in their manufacturing processes is different? Not to say a 9310 bolt is garbage, but it could indicate there other deviations from specifications. Heat treat, other materials in the BCG, etc. |
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I only have personal experience with Daniel Defense BCGs . So I thought I'd ask about some other brands out there that average $30 cheaper or more. There are a lot of decent companies out there driving costs down, unfortunately there are a lot of hacks out there too. |
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Battlefield Vegas' infamous high round count AR thread...
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/...our_range.html "We've used primarily DD and LMT BCG's for the last 2 years with more DD's than LMT's. We used other brands before that trying to save a few bucks and they never lasted. We learned quick that it was cheaper to just go with a BCG that was slightly more expensive" Great thread, fun read. -- Michael |
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Usually don't see a c158 being nitrided. Nitriding is a way to harden the metal. And C158 is already hardened. |
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I often hear people imply that a BCG is a BCG. If the materials are the same they are equivalent. That is too simplistic. Low end vendors receive and accept parts that would be rejected by higher end vendors. Is there a higher markup on BCGs from higher end vendors? Of course, because they require higer standards, stand behind their products, offer warranty replacement, and give actual customer service. I don't know how many times on this and other forums, someone will ask why they are having problems with their AR, but decline to tell anyone what parts they are using. That seldom happens with people who use good quality parts. Yeah, I've read a thread or two started by some guy who bought DD or BCM and have a problem, but those are usually refereed to the vendor, and the problem is solved quickly, because the good vendors will stand behind their stuff. As for 9310 steel; There is a debate about it. Some vendors feel it is just as good or better than C158. Of course it is cheaper to make a bolt out of 9310, so does the extra profit drive their thinking? C158 is very expensive compared to 9310 because it has to be certified for use in Mil-Spec weapons. There is a lot to the heat treat process. It has to be done correctly, and not all C158 bolts would pass Military scrutiny. My impression from reading as much as I can on it, is that a bolt made from improperly heat treated C158 could be worse than a 9310 bolt. But that is just my impression. The problem is there are MILLIONS of rounds of testing and real world use of Mil-Spec bolts, but there is NO EQUIVALENT TESTING of properly machined and heat treated 9310 bolts. As long as there isn't a controlled test to compare C158 to a 9310 bolt the question will remain out there. Personally, I would trust a 9310 bolt sold to me by a quality vendor. But I only own two 9310 bolts out of ten bolts that I have in use. Those who have bought and used PSA, or what have you, cheap BCG who've not had problems in the number of rounds they've shot are going to be hard to convince. But those that have had issues or found poor quality (like me) know better. We realize that better QC, a more consistent product, customer service, and company that cares about its rep as a seller of quality components will be willing to pay more for it.
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You'd understand if you operate.
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Because I don't like to keep the spare bolt up my ***. You are welcome to keep yours anywhere you want.
I suppose you don't believe in spare parts? I know guys like that, they are always asking to borrow my tools at the range, or borrowing a box of ammo, or can't figure out why their AR won't shoot properly when they leave out the disconnecter spring. They usually don't know how to troubleshoot their rifles or even how they work. But the worst idiots are the ones that come way out to a remote place and don't have any spare parts for their firearms. Never mind protecting their family if the S ever hit the F. Does that answer your question?
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About 95% of people at the range I go to take more than 1 firearm; let's assume 1 goes down...they'll have another 1 to shoot. If the fecal matter did hit the oscillating air cooling device, I think you have bigger issues to worry about first.
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Spares to bring? Spring kit. Firing pin. Even a bolt (for others, for my protection. ) Trigger pin. lube. water. Are reasonable
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My daughter keeps spare batteries in hers. I keep the front sight adjuster tool there so I don't lose it.
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A lot of what you pay for is branding and support. True of most products. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk |
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If you don't shoot your rifles that much you will probably never run into these issues, but if you do things will start to break. Cheap parts will probably break sooner.
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If SHTF my rifle will not be one of the things I have to worry about precisely because of the spare parts. So, please don't hurt yourself trying to think for me.
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I don't have an armorer. |
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There are risks too. The coating process requires heat and if it is improperly done it can cause problems. Also, certain coatings applied incorrectly can cause hydrogen embrittlement. I don't know enough about this to say much more except that it is bad. Also, some coating will change the BCG dimensionally. Which can cause problems when tolerance stacking makes parts dimensionally incompatible.
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First, the AR's bolt is known to be a potential failure point. Depending on what kind of shooting you do they might need to be replaced as early as 5000 rounds or as late as 15,000. I personally, think 10,000 is a good point to change. But that doesn't mean that a bolt won't fail sooner than that. I've read of quality bolts failing within a few hundred rounds....and sh1t can happen when you dump super hot gases on metal that is under extreme pressure. Even high quality bolts can potentially not live to their expected potential. My BCGs are all BCM, Colt, DD, Noveske and I have one I bought with Riflegear logo during the great panic. Piston driven rifles like AKs don't eat bolts like ARs do. Magpul even makes a bolt and firing pin grip core for MIAD and MOE grips-->http://www.primaryarms.com/magpul-mi...lack-mag057blk
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All my optics use 2032, my lights use CR123. 2032 are easy to carry.
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Here, I just found this video. Watch and learn. This explains why not all BCGs are the same and why this AIM Surplus bolt is a FAILURE.
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Hehe Then I invented BCG snobbery 2x POF Ultimate DI BCG 2x LWRC DI Nicorr Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Pretty good.
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This. I used to recommend PSA to others, but no more. I've learned my lesson. DD or BCM for me.
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Aside from that, am I the only one getting nervous as hell watching live shells flyin all over like that
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I have two designated Go-To ARs, which I would take for me and my wife, in the highly unlikely event that we had to leave home in a hurry. Each has a spare bolt and FP in the unlikely event that one fails. But I keep a spare LPK and an additional BCG in my bag. Cheap insurance.
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