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We still have 6 months before this reaches critical mass. As long as they deliver before Jan 1, I'm fine running the BB until then. My DFMs will remain in the closet until the Mean loaders arrive. And on the free loader... yes, I am looking forward to receiving 6 for the price of 3... but if I only get 4, WTH, I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. I only ordered and paid for 3.
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Have you notified Franklin about these problems yet?
They seem from their posts here to be very receptive. I have already seen enough posts here on Calguns about the chewed followers with the DFM mag to decide that if I ever buy one to try I will use my stock bolt catch to retain it and have lock back on empty as it should be. I'll pass on the modified bolt catch method. I would use the mean arms loader-assuming they aren't vaporware. Maybe you should try the mag with your stock bolt catch-for testing if nothing else... Maybe replace the follower with a better one too? Also-is this 5.56 or .308? ..... Last edited by LEAD LAUNCHER; 06-10-2017 at 9:39 AM.. Reason: because |
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Installed the DFM on my Tungsten rifle and still used the stock Bolt Catch, I like the idea of the bolt locking back on the last round, it doesn't really bother me to release the bolt forward and popping open the action to reload for now, UNTIL I get my MA Loader lol..
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Ahh... Okay, a few of those issues would not apply to me since my intent is to use the original BHO, which will prevent the follower/bolt issues.
Of course, the follower itself can be replaced... but I guess for that matter, a Pmag or Hexmag could be modified to lock into place.
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How many rounds have you put through it in that configuration? And more importantly-can you post any larger pics of your avatar? .... |
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Not my picture.. because I'm a thief lmao, but the one Front and Center =P Last edited by SSOUNN; 06-11-2017 at 5:01 PM.. |
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Thanks!
SSOUNN-I'm going to go out on a limb and say if your last post is not the best calguns post of the day-it is most definitely in the top five! Oh..and what were we talking about? Thanks for the input on the fixed mag-please give an update down the road when you can. I'm not a big fixed ar mag type of guy but I wouldn't mind giving 1 rifle a try at it with some means loaders. ... |
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But in all seriousness.. I'm not a fixed mag kinda guy myself, I just wanted to give it a try, im not worried about any wear and tear constantly opening up the action, I DID Fixed a MagPul G3 10/20 to one of my other rifle also.. I got annoyed every time I loaded 10rds and go charge it.. freaking thing was so stiff I had to use all my muscle lol.. THAT is the only thing I hate about it.. The DFM works great, I'm sure it'll be better combined with the MA Loader.. |
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Damn I was hoping to get another FREE speed loader because of the delay. LOL.
Interesting though...I work for a construction company and recently watched a video on Autodesk Mold Flow - plastic injection and compression.... I'm no expert but there's definitely more engineering behind it than we think. Last edited by deephouse; 06-12-2017 at 10:28 PM.. |
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From their site.
Shipping Update: Now projected for week of June 19th – 23rd We thank the thousands of people who have pre-ordered our MA-Loaders and other MEAN products. We also appreciate everyone’s patience and understanding with our latest delay in shipping, which is now slipped to the week of June 19th. We pride ourselves on making smart decisions and not releasing parts that are not fully ready. Bringing any new product to market, especially one as ambitious as our MA-Loader is a lengthy process. Our journey began over a year ago starting with concept design, improvement changes, prototype molds and developmental testing. When we began taking pre-orders in late February, we fully intended to make a “projected” March ship date based on our scheduled timeline. This schedule did not include any unanticipated delay padding. We apologize that many of our customers mistakenly took our estimate as hard dates they could count on. Over a month ago, we could have ran with our initial production models and filled orders, knowing full well we would be making small changes to improve function and reliability. Making just a small change to one of our steel molds adds upwards of a month delay. We made the right decision to not send out products that were not held to our high standard and this decision has created a few unhappy customers. We can only reiterate that the delay was necessary to provide you with the best product and we are working to get it to you as quickly as possible. Responses received during our production delay have been 99% positive and encouraging. For the 1% who have been less than pleasant (and for anyone not willing to wait a little longer), we will refund you 100% immediately upon request. MEAN stands by our products 100%. Once you receive your MEAN MA- Loader, you will have a 30-day, unconditional money back guarantee. After 30 days, you will enjoy a Limited Lifetime Warranty – break it, send it back and we will replace it FREE less shipping/handling. Thank you again for all of the great comments of support! We are excited that we are so close to shipping. The wait is almost over! Regards, MEAN LLC
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I will talk to the mill operator to ensure that the edges of the DFM bolt catch are properly deburred. It is a step in the process that is routinely performed, but it sounds like one got out. I apologize for the oversight. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. ...and no, we did not use a grinder. I have no problem disclosing that ASC is a contractor of ours. (I cannot recommend working with C-products.) ASC built these to our patented specification. We based the end product off of their standard 10 round, marlube coated, stainless steel magazine because they have a solid reputation for superior performance and durability. Most metal magazines are aluminum, but the stainless steel magazines are more durable. All metal magazines use spot welds. This magazine IS equipped with a Magpul type antitilt follower. Why would you claim that we used something inferior? It is true that the follower can wear out over time when used with a DFM bolt catch, however our testing has shown that a follower (that hasn't been consumer modified) will last thousands of rounds before replacement is warranted. What really caught my eye was your claim that the plastic follower was somehow wearing out an 8620 carrier, 4140 cam pin, or 9310 bolt. You either have a pot metal carrier, or you are mistaken. There is no way that a plastic follower will wear down a steel bolt lug. ...ever. If you are getting double feeds, something must be up. We've sold thousands of these without issue. Sometimes we have found that consumers have installed the magazine past the magazine catch so that the tabs are resting in the receiver. This can cause malfunctions. The magazine should be indexed on the magazine catch for proper functioning. Lastly, I can now disclose that we recommend the Bear Flag Defense magazine loader. http://www.bearflagdefense.com/ We have tested it, and after seeing the alternative prototypes from other firms, we recommend this product. The owners of this patent pending product are Californians, and I believe they have a superior product that works very well with our DFM. Here is a video with the Bear Flag Defense BF-10 used in conjunction with a DFM: https://youtu.be/AiS7I1H2_d8 To your point Citizen One, I think your concern will be alleviated by using a DFM (properly indexed on the magazine catch) with a standard bolt catch and Bear Flag Defense loaders. Meanwhile, Franklin Armory is supporting the CRPAF with every DFM sold. We donate $2 to the CRPAF on every unit sold. This money is then earmarked for litigation to fight the antigun bureaucracies and policies in California.
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Franklin,
Thanks for chiming in here. I'm curious to see the response by Citizen One. It looks like he may be off base on a couple things, but it also looks like you may want to do a little closer scrutiny on the mags and bolt release QC. As I've said if and when I try one it will be with my stock bolt release as that appears to alleviate many of the problems. Not to mention the fact if I ever encounter a rogue cop who wants to bust me for a "not a fixed mag"rifle-he's going to have to work for it. Not that I am really worried about that-but it could happen. And thanks for the links to the other loader-I had no idea of it's existence. As I clicked the link-I thought ... "please be $10 cheaper !-please be $10 cheaper!-Doh!-$5 cheaper-oh well-at least it's cheaper! EDIT: actually they are $31.67ea. if you pre-order qty 3 or $30 ea if you pre-order qty 5 Then I saw pre-order...oh...projected November delivery? Well-competition is good regardless-maybe mean will drop their price $5 or $6 bucks-who knows? .... Last edited by LEAD LAUNCHER; 06-13-2017 at 9:36 AM.. Reason: updated price |
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You guys trying to reengineer the functionality of an AR just to keep a pistol grip and a flash hider amuse me.
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The only fixed mag centerfire semi I have right now is a Garand. My detachable centerfire semi rifle's are all either bullet buttoned or featureless. But if these companies can get an AR running reliably(and loaded quickly) with a fixed mag more power to them. For the crowd that doesn't want to reg-but views featureless grips and stocks as goofy looking and gizmo's that drop the mag when you break open as suspect contraptions. I'm not saying I am in that group by the way-but options are good.. until I can get out of this steaming turd of a state. ...... |
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Thanks for the photos Citizen One. The early DFM Bolt Catches were not trimmed as far back as they are now, and it looks like you have an earlier example. I am happy to modify it for you if you'd like to send it back.
I am not aware of any metal magazine for an AR that does not use spot welds. Do you know of any? There certainly are alternative methods that cost more, but I can't see the cost/benefit. The follower will get worn by the bolt lug if a DFM Bolt Catch is employed. I don't disagree. Our DFMs showed similar wear in testing. They did not exhibit any problems of functioning though, even after relatively high round counts. Your post mentions that double feeds are occurring. Generally that is an extraction or gas issue. A misfeed could be related to the feed lips if they were spewing more than one round at a time, but I wonder if your gas system was just barely strong enough to cycle with the other magazines. Now that it might have more resistance from a slightly stiffer magazine spring, perhaps it is slowing down the bolt enough to cause the double feed. A misfeed where the round simply doesn't hit the feed ramp or chamber is a different issue. That certainly could be caused by the angle of the feed lips. You mentioned that you have altered the feed lips, so I'm not sure if that is our fault or yours. I would be happy to send you a new one to see if this problem goes away. How many rounds do you have on the magazine?
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Do you have anything constructive to add or are you just looking to make drive by snide comments and end up banned?
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Just my feelings on it. I can't have and voice my opinion? I've added plenty to the conversation many months ago and I've decided for myself that going featureless and removing myself from the scope of these asinine laws is the best way to go. I applaud those trying to find ways around but as has been proven, I think the state will just make these new devices illegal just as they have the original bullet button. They are Band-Aids at best, and I'm not falling for it again. For those that say the state will just make SA's illegal, it'll be a lot tougher for them to do that than it will be to go after these devices and ammo, as they already have. Remember, the State like low-hanging fruit and I think these devices just make perfect targets for them.
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They went after featureless before and Brown vetoed it, along with a stack of other bills that he signed last year. NewScum will ASK FOR and sign any anti-gun bill he can get. By 2020, 2022 at the latest anything that's not lever action or revolver will be RAW.
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DA revolvers will be defined as semi automatic and banned as well. Especially high capacity models over 6 rounds. Low capacity will be labeled gang banger specials and banned as well.
SA CF revolvers will be banned as well for using fixed ammunition. BP will be utterly banned for being an explosive. More specifically, importation will be banned and current license holders will not be allowed to renew to remain a vendor. Hunting rifles will be banned for being sniperific. lever guns and historical firearms will be banned for being culturally inappropriate. Rimfire will be banned for being a gateway gun into gun culture. Ditto with BB guns, sling shots, and cap guns will be considered the same as projectile fired weapons. |
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Whatever dude.
It's completely off topic, might want to take a look at Kest's post to Rumble.
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Look, bro, Kest's post was a response to a different "snide" comment, as he put it, not the one you referenced with your own off topic, snide, remarks. Off topic, and non sequitur, are two totally different things; you got them both in. Shame on you; you know about glass houses, don't you?
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I understand free markets and I certainly support their right to charge whatever the market will bear, but how many of you are going to buy these side loading devices at $35-$40 each? That's what Mean Arms and Bear Arms Defense are charging for their gizmos. The way I look at it, if I have a fixed mag rifle, I want to carry as many loaders as I would magazines for a replaceable mag rifle. Logically I should expect to pay about the same as I do for a magazine, but not 2-4 times as much. What say you calgunners?
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I agree ..the first thing I thought on both Mean and Bear Defense-was expensive!
Ultimately I thing they will sell well at the price they are asking. The Bear defense one seems to be the way to go. A qty of 5 is certainly not too many and their preorder price of qty 5 makes the loaders $30 each including a shirt. That's not a crazy amount more than a mag. Well no-ok.. I'm wrong-what are 10 round pmags-$12-$15 ea? Yeah-they are still pricey..like twice the price of a mag. I'd just be happy if they were actually available at this point. .... Last edited by LEAD LAUNCHER; 06-21-2017 at 12:51 PM.. |
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Not sure if anyone's asked this yet or not, I'm only somewhat following this thread - will this work with .300blk as well? Seems like the cartridges should fit just fine, but wondering if the different cartridge shape might jam things up.
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Maybe you've never held an AR before, but if you can't have the pistol grip there's NO POINT in owning an AR, might as well go with an M1 and avoid the trouble. Jesus...
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Thanks for the info, Citizen One and Kevin. Sounds like your BF-10 is the way to go right now for 300blk users.
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I bought three, and if they work well, will likely buy more.
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I worry when a company feels the need to post "proof" that the product is real and explain that "they know what they're doing".
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Settle down, folks. The new "ghost gun" regulations probably don't do what you think they do. Last edited by CandG; 06-26-2017 at 3:52 PM.. |
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