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It matters not if you've never owned a semi-auto...
For those of you, and I know there are more than a few, that are content with the firearms you currently own, or are simply not interested in ever getting a semi-automatic firearm, or one with a removeable magazine. Maybe you just hunt and plink with your gun and never thought about the potential for self-defense.
They will come for yours too, sooner or later. The time to get to those phones/faxes/and CGF call-to-arms is now. Even if the only gun you own is your granddaddy's old single-shot break-open .410 shotgun you shoot those pesky buzz worms with when they come every summer. First they came for the full autos but I didn't own a full auto so I didn't stand up, Then they came for the "assault rifles" but I didn't own an "assault rifle" so I didn't stand up, Then they came for the "high capacity" magazines but they granted me an exception on the ones already in my possession so I didn't stand up, Then they came for the handguns they thought weren't safe, but again granted me an exception for the ones I already owned so I didn't stand up, Then they came for the semi-automatic firearms, but at least they let me register the ones I already had so I didn't stand up, Then they came back for those "high capacity" magazines, the ones they said I could keep and I'm like OMGWTGBBQ!!! Will they come for my revolvers? Will they come for my off-roster handguns? Will they come for my fixed-magazine semi-automatic rifles? Will they come for my repeating firearms? I don't even own a muzzle-loading rifle, should I get one now just in case I need to stand up for when they come for those too?
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We should add dates and SB# so people (outside of CalGuns) realize this is real.
They will come for yours too, sooner or later. First they came for the full autos but I didn't own a full auto so I didn't stand up, 1983 Then they came for the "assault rifles" but I didn't own an "assault rifle" so I didn't stand up, 1994 CA 2000 Then they came for the "high capacity" magazines but they granted me an exception on the ones already in my possession so I didn't stand up, 2000 Then they came for the handguns they thought weren't safe, but again granted me an exception for the ones I already owned so I didn't stand up, date? Then they came for the semi-automatic firearms, but at least they let me register the ones I already had so I didn't stand up, NOW Then they came back for those "high capacity" magazines, the ones they said I could keep and I'm like OMGWTGBBQ!!! NOW Will they come for my revolvers? Soon Will they come for my off-roster handguns? SSE is on the line NOW Will they come for my fixed-magazine semi-automatic rifles? They are already re-defining fixed-magazine Will they come for my repeating firearms? Soon I don't even own a muzzle-loading rifle, should I get one now just in case I need to stand up for when they come for those too? Last but not least! |
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OP is right on the money!
The "Line in the sand" is moving more rapidly than ever before. This "line" is now at the bolt action rifles. My interest is at semi autos, not bolts. By the time the bolt gunners need my support, I will be long gone as my semi autos will have long since been banned. Sad state of affairs. Divide and conquer at its finest.
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NRA Life Member Mr. President, I can't take any more winning! Make it stop Mr. President. The winning is YUGGEEEE! "If you've got a problem with the US, you better make sure it's not a military problem." SSgt Leslie Edwards Last edited by MaHoTex; 09-05-2013 at 10:24 AM.. |
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Stop with the suggestions that people need to call, write, or fax their representatives on this matter. If you think that civil participation is still a viable route to ensure we keep our liberties, then you should turn all of your guns in now to save you the time of handing them in later.
What's the point of even owning firearms in America if you're not willing to even at least consider using them for their true intended purpose? |
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We should not stop, even if one day we have to resort to the ammo box.
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Yeah sure, just credit me and my Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/uspolicestate
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ARE YOU PISSED YET?
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"What the hell happened to land of the free and home of the brave???" |
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Until on the political elite understand we will not abide by their biased votes or skewed judicial decisions, and that we will assert our natural rights by any and all constitutional means, they will continue to usurp our freedoms. The question everyone should ask themselves, when will it be convenient for you to make your final stand?
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I wonder how the media will cover the story about the gun owner who uses his guns to preserve his right to keep his guns? Anyone want to fill in the blanks for me?
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Amen! And the answers to your last 5 questions are YES, YES, YES, YES & YES. By not allowing the future Generation to own semi-autos and not allowing me to pass down my Semi-Auto's that is GUN CONFICATION through attrition. It does not get any more Unconstitutional than that. This needs to go to the Supreme Court or Something. The nerve to take peoples legally owned Magazines. God Help Us.
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Thanks for posting this many here agree with your sentiment.
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the only slim hope i have left is that Brown vetos the ammo bills. if the ammo permit bills pass i will no longer be able to enjoy my sport as i am a broke college student who can barley afford the cheapest dirty Russian surplus ammo. if i am forced to buy a $200 ammo permit i wont be able to buy school books. if the ammo bills pass and there is no preliminary injunction i will only enjoy my archery habit till i leave this POS state. i am not being a defeatist, i know there are many people like me who will be unable to enjoy our chosen lifestyle because it will be to expensive.
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best troll thread in calguns history http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=406739 burn the circus down cuz the world is full of clowns Last edited by mossy; 09-06-2013 at 12:50 AM.. |
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i am almost sure our founding fathers, the sons of liberty, and all those who shot at red coats were told the same thing back in the old days. if you are not ready to defend your rights with force when all words fail give your guns to someone who is.
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Guns, knives, bats, hammers, screwdrivers, and eventually you fists! If you can defend yourself with it, they will take it away! Especially if you can defend yourself from tyranny with it!
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And an excellent question. When will it be convenient? When it only affects your niche? When you see your family and friends dragged away for not OBEYING unconstitutional laws? When we have nothing left to stand up to tyranny? When? When will it be convienient? Quote:
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Look guys and gals, I am soooo tired of being the good little gun owner that abides by my rulers laws that "allow" us to enjoy or "hobby" (gawd, I hate that label). Our rights have been and continue to be stripped away at an alarming rate. Not just our rights, our children's rights, their children's rights. When are we as a people, as Americans, going to stand up and say NO MORE? Phone calls, faxes, emails will do nothing to stop an agenda. It only gives "them" a reference to direct their next round of oppression. They must be remimded that as representatives they serve US. A government by the people for the people. Not a statist controlled monarchy. If anything has ever been "For the children" by God, this is it!! Some will agree with me. Some will think I'm a loon (I don't care). But we are running out of sand to draw lines. The time is coming to put up or shut up. Which side will you be on? Rant off. Flame suit on.
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Haven't had a chance to read this whole thread but OP you are right on point. And yes, we must, and I personally will, continue to fight for the rights I and so many others defended through our time in the service and that our forefathers defined in our constitution from day 1. It will be a struggle but anythign in life worth having is worth fighting for.
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An example of how politicians work was given by Barbara Boxer this week. She said her constituents are against military action in Syria. However, she said she "knows things" and will support the military actions.
We don't have "representatives" anymore.
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Thanks. yeah, take it for a sig.
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That's the exact reason I bought my M&P15 Sport...just because I knew it was the opposite of what they wanted...didn't even have an immediate need for it, but, it didn't matter...it's not about needs anyway, right?
When the issue isn't affecting you, its easy enough to not give it much thought...buying my M&P gives me every reason now to be right in the thick of things...I'm ok with that
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Just like the UK
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So what will it need to look like to be seen as a patriotic revolution, rather than just some "gun nuts." Will the spin doctors in the media convince the rest of the world that we're racists (Ruby Ridge) or maybe religious zealots (Waco)?
Will we need 100 patriots to die on the evening news? 1000? 10,000? We all agree in principle, but as I sit in my air conditioned house, with a mostly full refrigerator, decent healthcare (for now), watching the Dodgers on my big screen, with my daughter playing in the backyard... I have to wonder how much any of us would be really willing to give up. I can't even force myself to contemplate it. Kudos if you can. I hope to be voting with my feet (and U-Haul truck) sooner rather than later, which may be the best thing any of us can do. Remove more and more of the tax base and let the state crumble.
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We either put forward Republicans that California would actually elect (who are also gun friendly), or we work on changing the perception of gun owners and grow acceptance of 2A, gun rights, and gun ownership by dispelling the plethora of negative stigmas and stereotypes. It seems most of us in the gun community are not interested in either of these.
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you know that it will be bad coverage that person will be made out to be some gun nut instead of a victim.
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http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php Thank your neighbor and fellow gun owners for passing Prop 63. For that gun control is a winning legislative agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Dj8tdSC1A contact the governor https://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php In Memory of Spc Torres May 5th 2006 al-Hillah, Iraq. I will miss you my friend. NRA Life Member. |
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You silly tacticool mall ninjas. I'll just sit back and pick you guys off with my slingshot, long bow, and atlatl. They'll never come for those.
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"When you get the (men) to the range, you just get the men. But when you bring the (women) to the range, you get the (whole family). And that's what's going to save our 2nd Amendment."--Dianna Liedorff "Since self-preservation is the 1st law of nature, we assert the...right to self-defense. The Constitution...clearly affirms the right of every American...to bear arms. And as Americans, we will not give up a single right guaranteed under the Constitution." --Malcolm X |
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I "dont do" the semi auto thing, and I have claimed many times to support black rifle people, because you take the flak so I don't have to. But it is getting harder. because of people like you. People like you assume, just because I don't shoot a black rifle at the range, that I don't support you. Get off your high horse. Don't insult your friends. Or else you WILL lose my support. I'm fatigued from my own brothers saying "the bolt action guys and hunters are just not supporting us EBR guys!" You have my support. I fight for you. Now shut up and stop accusing me of the opposite. |
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We're all on the same side. |
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My 2 cents... -Ruskie
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I don't believe and definitely hope that POLICESTATE is trying to come across like that. There are actually many EBR/Black Rifle guys that are way more apathetic than some of the hunting crowd (which I'm sure even you are willing to admit contain some members who could care less about EBRs). Conversely, I hope all of us are also getting together in the fight against AB711 (lead hunting ammo ban). For those that don't hunt, it doesn't affect you yet. But how long until it does.
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"When you get the (men) to the range, you just get the men. But when you bring the (women) to the range, you get the (whole family). And that's what's going to save our 2nd Amendment."--Dianna Liedorff "Since self-preservation is the 1st law of nature, we assert the...right to self-defense. The Constitution...clearly affirms the right of every American...to bear arms. And as Americans, we will not give up a single right guaranteed under the Constitution." --Malcolm X |
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We do so because we must and it is necessary. We are not under any illusions.
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You all support EBR guys? That's a bold statement. I can't begin to tell you all of the dirty looks and snide comments I get at the range from non semi auto guys. All non semi auto guys do not support EBR guys. In fact, many support AWB and such legislation. I'm happy to have your support and I'm sure POLICESTATE is as well but you are not the majority of non semi auto guys that I have run in to.
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What we need on a broader level is more people to realize that the 2nd amendment under attack means all the other amendments are just as up for grabs, agree with the 2nd or not.
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Stop alienating the people you want on your side. |
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BTW, did you see my thread in the C&R forum? "It matters not if you don't own modern firearms..." http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=818701 Oh wait, I did preface my post with "For those of you, and I know there are more than a few," I guess you missed that part? If you feel my comments were directed at you anyway, I don't know what to say. Normally I would take the offensive and say "obviously I've touched a nerve" but you support us "EBR" folks so I see no reason to take that approach. I'm going to chalk it up to you missed a sentence because of the length of my post (which I have been known to do myself) and thank you for your support. I wish we had the support of more folks like you. Just think how many of the folks that support gun ownership but also support much of the recent and forthcoming gun control are not on Calguns. I wish I could reach them somehow. My intention is not to upset people at our own community, it's to upset them, and galvanize them against the gun-grabbers who are our common foe whether we just plink every now and again, hunt, or waste lots of lead into steel targets.
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