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Old 10-13-2013, 3:01 PM
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Eh I dunno
If it's not needed why put some nonsense just to fill space?

Too bad the location has be accurate and can't be a fictional location.
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Old 10-13-2013, 6:11 PM
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When u set your gun down at the range I'll pick it up and walk off with it.

Try to prove it is yours.

It's now MINE !
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Old 10-14-2013, 8:17 AM
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When u set your gun down at the range I'll pick it up and walk off with it.

Try to prove it is yours.

It's now MINE !
Same way you prove any long gun is yours.
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Old 10-18-2013, 2:40 PM
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Owning a rifle in an illegal configuration is just asking for trouble.

(this is starting to sound like a theme with you, "Forget the law, do what you want.", perhaps this had something to do with getting banned on another forum?)
Perhaps anyone who's too afraid to arm themselves because of ridiculous laws should be banned from real life.
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Old 10-18-2013, 3:01 PM
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First off, I have been considering building an AR from an 80% lower for about a year now. I am new to all this "Build a Bear" stuff, so please no flaming!

Since this is the thread for home builds, If I build an AR or AK must I add a bullet button to it to be legal in Cali?

Any other suggestions besides engraving a SN and manufacturing location, etc?
Of course it doesn't need a bullet button or any type of mag lock IF you build it into a featureless semi auto centerfire rifle or shotgun or, if you build it into a non semi auto anything or, if you build it into a semi auto rimfire rifle. But, if it's a semi auto handgun or a semi auto centerfire long gun with evil features, it will require a magazine lock.

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Seriously...and why does every thread seem to gravitate back to the "Law"?

Its pretty cut and dry. Theres enough FUD kicking around which leads to ridiculous things like welding suppressors and locking folding stocks in place.

I dare someone to find ONE instance of an AK builder(or even just a regular knuckle-dragging owner) getting busted for either of those.

And while you're googling, find proof that not heat treating a home bent flat leads to egged axis pin holes.

Go.
Well you got banned quick and obviously for good reason. The law is the law and we law abiding gun owners don't like morons who make us look bad. BTW, there are plenty of people who have been been busted for CA AW violations. Get a clue. Oh yea, not heat treating axis holes can cause the holes to egg over time. But, what do I know? I've had somewhere between 500 and 750 homebuilt AKs manufactured at my home so, I'm sure you have more experience than I do.

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When u set your gun down at the range I'll pick it up and walk off with it.

Try to prove it is yours.

It's now MINE !
While I may not mark my homebuilds with SNs or other common identifying markings, I do put discrete manufacturer marking on them. So, I can easily go into a court room and instruct the judge on exactly where to look for what on them. It would be obvious that no one but the one who put the marks there would even realize that they existed. So, wanna try claiming one of my "unmarked" firearms at a range?
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If you are curious as to what is/isn't legal here in Cali google 922R...It will tell you everything you need to know.
LOL, 922(r) has nothing to do with California law won't tell you anything about Ca law and homebuilds. In fact, 922(r) doesn't even apply to homebuilt handguns. So, does that mean anything goes in CA? Get a clue!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-18-2013, 9:13 PM
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Gene:

Thanks for all this very good and pertinent information!

In your opinion are there any advantages/disadvantages to engraving a specific caliber vs. "multi cal" on an AR 80% lower?
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Looking more closely at 27 CFR 478.92 you need to place your name, caliber, serial number and manufacturing location on any firearm you wish to be able to sell. A model designation appears optional.

-Gene
Sorry for the double post, but above you say "your name"...

Can a made up manufacturer name, e.g.; "Darryl Licht Arms" be substituted for "your name", or do you suggest actually engraving your name into a lower?
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I'm wondering the same thing as Darryl Licht. Here are my questions and my current beliefs (which could be wrong) on each:

1) Can it be a fake manufacturer, i.e. a made-up company name? The way I read the law, it cannot be fake; the name must be really your company or your name or a recognizable abbreviation thereof. NeoWeird said in some other thread:

"I believe this issue has come up before (not on this forum) and the answer is it's NOT allowed. If I remember right, it has to do with the fact that putting false information on the side of a weapon is construed as an attempt to hide the origins of the weapon and is on par, though under different code and for different reasons, with grinding the serial number off the firearm.

I could be wrong as I'm recalling this from a vague memory."

I agree with him. Falsifying info on a firearm is probably a crime.

2) If you happen to own a company (corporation or LLC, not DBA, to be specific), can you use your company as the manufacturer? I would think yes, BUT there are reasons why you should not do so.

a) I believe that it will be harder to argue that you weren't manufacturing with intent to sell and that the completed 80% is for personal use if you use your company to manufacture the lower. And if your company does not have an FFL, then you could be in federal trouble.

b) A friend posed this worst-case scenario: Say your lower gets stolen and is used in a murder. Knowing the "deep pockets" sue-happy ambulance-chaser lawyers are out there, the victim's family might bring civil suit against the manufacturer, which traces back to you (through Sec. of State business records). Yes, if you used your personal initials, there is a remote possibility that the lower could be traced back to you (perhaps if you reported it stolen), and then they might bring civil suit against you, as a person, but this is less likely if the lawyer hears a person's name and thinks "no money there, let's not sue" versus hearing a company name and thinking "deep pockets = jackpot!"

Ironically, using your company may give you the protections of the corporate veil; if they sue your company, you could protect your personal assets like your house, etc.

3) On another worst-case scenario--let's say you use your company name and YOU commit the murder. Then the victim's family can press criminal charges against you AND civilly sue you for wrongful death AND also civilly sue your company for manufacturing the murder weapon. Triple whammy. Might be better to keep your company out of it, especially if it has funds that might be necessary for you to distribute to yourself in order to pay for your defense/lack of income while incarcerated.

Thoughts?

I'm leaning towards just my personal initials at this time.

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No matter what is done wording will come that will make all this moot at some point in the future...
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how does SB 808 affect me if i already stamped my initials, city and state, caliber and the serial number from the parts kit on the receiver?
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Sb808 doesn't affect you because it was vetoed by the governor...
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