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Hi All.
I've recently been looking to have a receiver (or 2) engraved. I'm surprised to see the prices ($50.00 for just the text, $110.00 for 4 areas marked, $90.00 for multiple receivers)), but understand these folks are in business, and have things like employees, and shop overhead to pay for.

I thought I could do better.

I'm kicking around the idea of buying a fiber laser to do engraving for the local building community. My thoughts were to shoot for around 50-60% of what the commercial guys would do it for. I'm Semi-retired, and looking for another hobby.

Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome. It would take a few weeks to obtain the device if I decide to go ahead with it.
I'm not an FFL, so any work would have to be while you wait if there was any work started on an 80%, or complete firearm.

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Lower prices are a win for everyone.

just food for thought, though, most of the engraving rush will be before July 1 of this year. You might miss a bulk of orders if you get the machine in June or later
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Looking to receive it before Memorial Day weekend.
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What wattage are you consider buying? Most Laser Units that I have paid to have done are in the neighborhood of 50 watts. Very expensive units at that wattage.
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While I wouldn't be a high-volume customer by any means, if you are talking occasional walk-in by appointment business, I can think of a few small projects to send your way. Good luck with the idea!
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Why not try Daniel at Franks' pro shop on Fulton Ave? He does bowling balls and done AR-15 receivers in the past. he is a nice guy so don't be a jerk.
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Thanks for the info Red. I'll give Franks a call.

Dan, The unit I'm looking at would be on the lower end of the needed power, more than adequate for deep engraving on aluminum, steel, or stainless.
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I talked to Daniel today and they can do it for you to your specs and will help you out. he said they have done a number of them in the past by word of mouth and never had a problem or comeback. Daniel is a bowler by profession but he might be able to help you locate equipment if you need it. This is how we help each other survive.
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I'd be interested in some engraving as well. Can they do a group discount? I know this is my first post, no intro. TISK TISK, Mr. Steel....
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Just an update, the machine should be here by the end of the week.
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All i can say is call and talk to Daniel and work something out with him. His previous work on guns had not had any problems meeting specs. Something to think about. It's Frank's pro shop on Fulton.
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Just an update, the machine should be here by the end of the week.
I am interested, have 5 - 7 jobs I need done.
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Tagged, I am interested in this as well, as soon as your machine is up and running I've got about 8 lowers that are ready to be engraved ASAP, and probably more later too.
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Sounds interesting. Do you have a appointment list going yet?
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Laser will be here tomorrow. I'll need a day to play with it.
Deep engraving text will be no problem. I'm working on some selector markings, so hopefully that wont take too long to set up.

Graphics on the mag well - probably best to send that ahead of time via email, so I can see how much work it will be to import.

No appointment list going at this time. I'm available most of the time, so send a PM for what day / time works for you and I'll send my contact info.
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Think you could do some engraving on a face plate of a Henry silver boy?
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Here's a couple quick examples.
Text is around 0.0085 to 0.0095 deep.
Images are on the surface - probably around 1-2 thousandths.

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Wow, that was fast!

The hardest part of getting set up will be making jig to hold the lowers in the exact same position every time, to ensure everything is always lined up.

If you make a jig with a 3/8" diameter rod sticking out of it, you could use that rod to position the safety selector hole in exactly the same place on the table every time.
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Wow, that was fast!

The hardest part of getting set up will be making jig to hold the lowers in the exact same position every time, to ensure everything is always lined up.

If you make a jig with a 3/8" diameter rod sticking out of it, you could use that rod to position the safety selector hole in exactly the same place on the table every time.
I'm just using a TM jig - good idea about the selector hole, and I'll have to make a dowel for it.
The only problem I see is an 80% doesn't have a selector hole unless completed.
Not a problem, the owner will have to stay with it.
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What kind of laser did you buy?
30 Watt MOPA (about 1200 watt peak).
It vaporizes metal.
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I'm just using a TM jig - good idea about the selector hole, and I'll have to make a dowel for it.
The only problem I see is an 80% doesn't have a selector hole unless completed.
Not a problem, the owner will have to stay with it.
TM jig is great.

If you get a wonky lower that doesn't fit the TM jig, you could also use the takedown and pivot holes on dowels pegged into a board.

What about Polymer, can you turn it down a tad for that? I can bring some kydex sheets to practice on first, so we don't set the receivers on fire

Also if you have not seen this laser engraving video on a Magpul mag, it is worth a look.
https://instagram.com/p/Bi0avwrnNC1/
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TM jig is great.

If you get a wonky lower that doesn't fit the TM jig, you could also use the takedown and pivot holes, and dowels pegged into a board.

What about Polymer, can you turn it down a tad for that? I can bring some kydex sheets to practice on first, so we don't set the receivers on fire
Thanks for the reminder.

If anyone has a "non repairable" polymer lower available, I could use it. I'm picturing one that the drill bit dug into, and got flung around the drill press a few times.

The power is adjustable between "vaporize bulldozer" and "delicate eye surgery". Shouldn't be a problem, but will require a little experimentation.
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Hi All.
I've recently been looking to have a receiver (or 2) engraved. I'm surprised to see the prices ($50.00 for just the text, $110.00 for 4 areas marked, $90.00 for multiple receivers)), but understand these folks are in business, and have things like employees, and shop overhead to pay for.

I thought I could do better.

I'm kicking around the idea of buying a fiber laser to do engraving for the local building community. My thoughts were to shoot for around 50-60% of what the commercial guys would do it for. I'm Semi-retired, and looking for another hobby.
My prices have always been about 50% of the prices you listed, with no up-sell for complicated artwork.

The engraving is the easy part and if you stick to text and simple art you can keep your prices down.

Start adding hours manipulating/hand drawing artwork, un-packing, re-packing, printing labels, trips to the post office for shipping, boxes, tape and packing materials and it's gets a little harder.
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Thanks for the reminder.

If anyone has a "non repairable" polymer lower available, I could use it. I'm picturing one that the drill bit dug into, and got flung around the drill press a few times.
Be careful not to illegally transfer a firearm. Once ANY work has been started it could be considered a firearm.

EPArmory was giving away polymer lowers with other purchases for awhile. I know I have a stack of them I'll never use, other may as well???
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And maybe check into vendor status here on Calguns.

Become a contributor?

I trust you have your resale license? Hobby or not the state will want their cut. They need the money to take away your rights.
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My prices have always been about 50% of the prices you listed, with no up-sell for complicated artwork.

The engraving is the easy part and if you stick to text and simple art you can keep your prices down.

Start adding hours manipulating/hand drawing artwork, un-packing, re-packing, printing labels, trips to the post office for shipping, boxes, tape and packing materials and it's gets a little harder.
I'm quickly figuring that out. Spent a day converting a few generic jpeg art, and setting up a template for selector markings - not to mention, finding about a dozen different pictograms for selectors. just need to focus on a couple.

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EPArmory was giving away polymer lowers with other purchases for awhile. I know I have a stack of them I'll never use, other may as well???
Good point. I just need a couple scraps of the polymer to test various settings. If approached with one, I would split it down the middle.

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Become a contributor?

I trust you have your resale license? Hobby or not the state will want their cut. They need the money to take away your rights.
I currently run another business from my house - not reselling anything - don't want the hassles.
I've been a CGN Contributor in the past. Probably expired now. I don't think it shows up on your title unless you're a recurring contributor?

Thanks for all of the input Randy. I've always wanted to say Thank you to you for all of the contributions you have made to the community via your build, etching, and anodizing videos. You videos are one of the reasons I wanted to try home building.
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not reselling anything - don't want the hassles.
If you're adding value to new items (80% lowers) the state requires that you charge tax.

If you're engraving an old hunting gun that has been together and used, no tax.

This state is crazy and they ride me like a cheap mule.
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Thanks for the reminder.

If anyone has a "non repairable" polymer lower available, I could use it. I'm picturing one that the drill bit dug into, and got flung around the drill press a few times.

The power is adjustable between "vaporize bulldozer" and "delicate eye surgery". Shouldn't be a problem, but will require a little experimentation.
Unfortunately I do have a donor, one of the very first P80 lowers. I also have some items to engrave. I have a couple of hour drive so we'll have set up a time.
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Just watched - That is awesome.
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Op just did a handful of lowers for me and they came out awesome!! It's really amazing what can be done with these lasers! Quick and easy, and the Op is just a hell of a great guy to chat with. Give him a call!!
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Just got my engravings done by Steve. Did an AR Lower and a P320 80% frame. He makes sure you are good with the position before he lets it engrave. I sat there and watched it get done within seconds. The most time consuming parts are getting the writing and position situated. Steve knows what he is doing though. Bring him all your lowers!!

For the P320 he engraved it is a little small when comparing it to my other frame engraved by Atomic engraving. You can probably go up another font size. This was his first P320 frame and it looks good. I didn't think of bringing the other engraved frame to compare. You can still read the serial number and it is in spec so it is a non-issue. Just letting everyone else who may want a bigger font that he can go another size up.
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How about unique ident numbers on magazines (steel)? Labels peel off, and magic marker is hard to see and wears over time. Being able to uniquely identify magazine problems can help narrow down cycling issues.

There would be one character per magazine, but between 3-5 magazines typically per sequence. Estimate per-magazine cost? The labor there is going to be swapping out/aligning each magazine and incrementing the single character.

ETA: I have a few mags that are similar and fit the same gun in different calibers, but the caliber isn't specifically indicated on the mag... those would be 3-4 additional characters to ID the caliber.

afterthought: Can you do poly as well? Have a few of those.
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How about unique ident numbers on magazines (steel)? Labels peel off, and magic marker is hard to see and wears over time. Being able to uniquely identify magazine problems can help narrow down cycling issues.

There would be one character per magazine, but between 3-5 magazines typically per sequence. Estimate per-magazine cost? The labor there is going to be swapping out/aligning each magazine and incrementing the single character.

ETA: I have a few mags that are similar and fit the same gun in different calibers, but the caliber isn't specifically indicated on the mag... those would be 3-4 additional characters to ID the caliber.

afterthought: Can you do poly as well? Have a few of those.
Will send you a PM bruss01.

A lot of folks ask "How deep can you go"?
Here's 1/8 inch.

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A lot of folks ask "How deep can you go"?
Here's 1/8 inch.

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Steve...too much info. Lol

That engraved block looks more impressive in person!
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