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I posted the other day I am going to switch from hand gun loading to riffle loading. One question I have tumbling riffle brass. I currently use a wet tumbler with SS media. Is that a good system for riffle brass??

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I use a dry vibe tumbler with some walnut shells, a little nu finish car wax and some used dryer sheets to keep the media clean.
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Walnut shell tumble.I don't need bright shiny brass when its in a rifle chamber.
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I posted the other day I am going to switch from hand gun loading to riffle loading. One question I have tumbling riffle brass. I currently use a wet tumbler with SS media. Is that a good system for riffle brass??

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Yes, if you do it right. No, if you are a slob and eyeball the chemicals. If the former, youíll need some Imperial dry lube for the necks to achieve smooth consistent bullet seating with the correct neck tension.
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its a bit harder to get the media out of bottleneck cases compared to say 45acp
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Yeah, but stainless is a pain with bottleneck cases.

Do not bother with walnut media or corn cob media. Use buckwheat! It does a better job, closer to stainless, and much faster. Four hours with buckwheat is like 8 with other media, but not stainless.

I just use buckwheat and don't bother with wet stainless. I've used both and have both.

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I posted the other day I am going to switch from hand gun loading to riffle loading. One question I have tumbling riffle brass. I currently use a wet tumbler with SS media. Is that a good system for riffle brass??

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Make sure you get EVERY pin out when you are separating the brass and pins.
I have seen a few muzzle devices get trashed when a pin was missed and then sent down the barrel behind a bullet.
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...or you could simply not tumble at all. I wash my cases in a little Dawn and Lemishine with hot water and it gets them clean enough, including the primer pockets.

If you do decide to tumble, buckwheat is good, it’s durable, and it can be cleaned by tumbling the media with a bit of mineral spirits (don’t use water) and dryer sheets or cut up paper towels to absorb the dirt.
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Stainless pins can chew up your case mouths. For bulk rounds you may not care too much. But for match ammo and premium brass that I run, I care.
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Yeah, but stainless is a pain with bottleneck cases.
No itís not.
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There's lots of different methods & opinions for tumbling rifle brass, just like there's lots of opinions about pistol brass. But in your 46,000 rounds of pistol brass you've tumbled, you've presumably come up with a method that works for you. When you transition to rifle brass, carry on...
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Old 09-07-2018, 9:27 AM
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I don't know about buckwheat [ I have not found yet , but have not
looked just for it ]
I have had SS pins , walnut and corn stuck in cases and primer holes .
I put the cases on top of vibrator [ in a bunt cake pan ] and let them
shake loose the stuff .
As for stuff in primer pockets - easy to find since I hand prime .
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Stainless pins can chew up your case mouths. For bulk rounds you may not care too much. But for match ammo and premium brass that I run, I care.
i shoot matches and use premium brass and dont have any issues and ive been SS tumbling for 8yrs and tumble every time.

SS tumbling does pein the mouths a little but after sizing and trimming none of that matters...if the mouths are peined so bad its causing a problem then its from tumbling 50 or less pieces at a time....but even then sizing and trimming will fix that.
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i shoot matches and use premium brass and dont have any issues and ive been SS tumbling for 8yrs and tumble every time.

SS tumbling does pein the mouths a little but after sizing and trimming none of that matters...if the mouths are peined so bad its causing a problem then its from tumbling 50 or less pieces at a time....but even then sizing and trimming will fix that.


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Same here.

I Wet SS pin clean my match brass as well as ALL of my other brass for the calibers I load for (22 hornet, .223, .243, .25-06, .260, .308, .30-06, .300 WBY, 221 Rem, .32 H&R, 9mm, .357, .40S&W, 10mm, .44mag, .45 colt, .45 Auto, 460 S&W mag, .480 Ruger) and don't have any issues with the cases, that includes Lapua match cases.

I also use a bench Source case Annealer and even if I SS wet clean the brass afterwards it still doesn't have enough effect to make any difference.

To be matter of fact, If you don't do a very good job of removing the out side burr and chamfer of the case after trimming, the sharp edges can and will scratch your bullets during seating along with wear on your dies.

Tumbling will smooth out those edges. make the cases smoother to finish the loading process and will help eliminate inconsistent neck tension by a more uniform case and neck without burrs.


Iím glad you guys donít have problems. But Iíll stick to my method that I know doesnít chew up case mouths. I size and trim and everything else that needs to be done. I just do it differently and use a process that I know I wonít have an issue with.
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Iím glad you guys donít have problems. But Iíll stick to my method that I know doesnít chew up case mouths. I size and trim and everything else that needs to be done. I just do it differently and use a process that I know I wonít have an issue with.


I wasnít knocking you or how you reload Iím just saying I donít have the problem you mention or any of the problems most ppl have with SS tumbling.

If you or someone else has a system that is producing the results your looking for then by all means stick with whatís working for you.

I SS tumble for several reasons and one of them is because itís WAY faster than vibratory tumblers.

There are tricks(for sake of a better word)to SS tumbling...1 is donít tumble small batches...I tumble 300 6.5x47 cases at a time...30mins and their done.


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Tumble without the SS media.

Witnessed cases tumbled in Brass Juice and I quickly ordered a gallon. This stuff works like magic at half the time.

https://www.thereloadingstation.com/...uice-case-wash
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Interesting...Iíd like to know whatís in that case juice


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Has anyone ever used a vibratory dry media type with liquid?
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Has anyone ever used a vibratory dry media type with liquid?
Don't think that would be a good idea. Most of that stuff is crushed walnut or corn, & after being dunked would get soft. It may not totally turn into a mush, but all the hard edges used for abrasiveness would be gone. Also, they generally float while brass sinks.
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I only reload 15 calibers and to me , I get more split cases chew up case
mouths .
Maybe 7 to 8 pounds of SS pins for a maximum of 400 cases .
I really don't keep track of weather the cases are cleaned with corn , nut or
SS pins .
I prefer corn , but there are times when 2 vibrators , 2 tumblers and a sonic
are all being used . [I have 6 nephews and 2 nieces that reload here ] and
others like the nut media .
After reload sessions the dies are taken apart and go into sonic for cleaning
[ yes I do find brass flacks in coffee strainer - I mostly use WD-40 in sonic -
cleans and lubes dies ]
I / we use a lot of range brass and toss quite a few cases into recycle .
I have tried both corn and nut in the rotary , did not like end product .
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Has anyone ever used a vibratory dry media type with liquid?


Half a cap of NuFinish, but first I rough wash, I ss wash, deprime, rewash, and then NuFinish.
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I agree about WD-40 . I don't use as a lube , just water displacement .
WD-40 makes a penetrating oil [ I have only found in a spray can ]
that I use on guns . [ this is after cleaning with WD-40 to remove any
water . WD-40 is a dust magnet ]
As for split cases , 223 and 308s are the one [ rifle ] and 9 mm and 45
[ pistol ] and I / we get lots of range brass for them .
I have gotten to the point where I will just buy unprimed cases for the
25 , 32 , 380 , 30-06 , 44 mag , 50AE , 270 . I get the nickel cases for
the 38s and 357 . I / we have been finding a lot of 30 carbine and we
seldom shoot the 41 anymore .
I have switched to wiping down the wood stocks to synthetic motor oil
will know in a month or 2 if if collects dust in safe .
I don't do case annealing .
My nephews and nieces would rather buy another gun than another
press
, case annealing setup or even a 4 / 8 pound jug of powder .
Besides that , I don't have room in garage for the setup .
I know I / we do over lube cases [ bulges , buckles , wrinkles ] but good
reason to check cases .
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The die maintance kit from RCBS was worth the money .
For the brushes .
I bought at cabelas [ now brass pro owned ] in Reno a while ago .
Not a fan of the sprays tho .
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I donít know about SS pins damaging case mouths but I suspect it damages the head stamps. Before I started
collecting range brass I bought some .223 brass from a Calgunner that had been wet tumbled. Many of the headstamps were hard to read.

Iím not arguing against wet tumbling, just offering a data point.


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I donít know about SS pins damaging case mouths but I suspect it damages the head stamps. Before I started
collecting range brass I bought some .223 brass from a Calgunner that had been wet tumbled. Many of the headstamps were hard to read.

Wet tumbling does not wash out headstamps. But if one was to make the mixture excessively acidic, then perhaps yes.
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Lot's of great info----thanks all. Purchased everything this weekend I need to get started on riffle loads. Need to confer with some SME's before I pull the trigger. Hope to start this week with a few 308's that I can ops check this weekend. I'll perfect that then load a few 06's. Thanks everyone
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You posted that it "chewed up" case mouths making it sound like it destroyed the cases. If that was true then the SS wet method would not even be used by over 50% of hand loaders.
I doubt even 10% of reloaders use a wet tumbler or stainless media.
Where are these statistics published?
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Based on hand loaders I shoot with and have spoken with it is roughly about what I have had them reply to, NO this is not a actual published number.
I did forget about the sonic method, so I will revise my estimate to roughly 40+%.
It would be a interesting way to find out the actual percentage by posting a poll here or on one of the other hand loading sites to get the number.
I would hazard a guess that 2/3 of reloaders do not even use internet forums and you would be missing those people in any such survey.
Stainless/wet tumbling is a relatively new thing so you will mostly see low volume reloaders who only started in the last 10 years doing it.
The 20-50yr veteran reloaders mostly dry tumble because that's how it's been done for so long and it works.
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I guess that my 35 years hand loading doesn't count then?
1 data point among 100,000+
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If you already wet tumble and the process doesn't bother you stick with it.

On another note I doubt more than 50% of reloaders clean there brass at all and less than 1% use stainless media.
But like everyone that is my guess.
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If you already wet tumble and the process doesn't bother you stick with it.

On another note I doubt more than 50% of reloaders clean there brass at all and less than 1% use stainless media.
But like everyone that is my guess.
your probable right most of the guys i shoot with do not clean their brass
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I just use buckwheat
Just my 2 cents
Racist...all kidding aside though, where the hell does one acquire buckwheat? Anyhow, i've tried a few different variations of dry tumbling media and also an ultrasonic cleaner, which sucked. I circled back around to buying the Lyman treated corncob that came with my tumbler originally. It cleaned better and lasted longer than anything i tried after. Everyone has their preferred method and nobody is more right or wrong really, it's mostly down to personal opinion and how you like your brass.
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Dry tumble my .223 in crushed walnut just like pistol brass. I don't even tumble my .308 brass, I just wipe the cases off with a rag dampened with oderless mineral spirits. They don't hit the ground so there is only soot to wipe off if anything.
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