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need CA FFLs that'll handle interstate intrafamily transfers of nonRostered handguns
I'm looking to collect a list of FFLs throughout California that will assist Californians in legal interstate intrafamily transfers of non-Rostered handguns.
As has been posted elsewhere before (stickied somewhere), it is entirely legal for someone outside outside CA to infrequently give his lineal relative(s) in CA non-Rostered, non-exempt handguns using the services of a California FFL. Quite a few FFLs do not realize this, however. Knowledgable DOJ BoF staff have also confirmed this with some folks, (though I've heard some line DOJ BoF "phone clerks" may not know this). The basics of intrafamily exemption, again:
California FFLs should not opt out of this business, it's clearly legal, helps gunnies, offers profits, etc. Just educate your employees on this so they understand everything. Speaking/writing as CGF board member, we will come in to help if you're following the rules and somebody says you shouldn't be doing this - they're just plain wrong. Please PM me if you're willing to do this work. Ultimately everyone will do this (just like OLL sales) but we need some early leaders around the state to help out.
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PM sent.
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Thank you gentlemen for stepping up. More are welcome.
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No need for a PM. I am down. I will try and get some others too.
I take it we run it as a curio/relic/olympic/exempt transaction? I think I will make a word document form that will help with this project. Should we also encourage them to send it from their own address instead of a dealer? I know I would for it to also be sales tax exempt as well. I don't have any blood, up and down the tree relatives out of state!
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Father in TX wanted to give his son in CA a couple of handguns his father had given him. Called DOJ and talked with an agent at the Firearms Division (now BOF). The agent walked me through it.
These handguns did come through a TX FFL because the father didn't want to deal with the shipping.
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If I am reading this correctly---I have four sons,one in TX,one in NC, and
one in NY(California one doesn't count). I can have the out of state sons "gift" me a non rostered handgun? The process just has to go thru FFLs and the proper fees paid,correct? Pete
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Correct. No High Capacity mags, No assault weapons.
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Bill, you and I already talked about this at the Thanksgiving Shoot-n-que, but not only is Riflegear.com willing to do this, we already HAVE done this on a couple occasions.
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You might not have noticed this is not the most popular forum on the boards. A better response would be had in 2nd Amendment.
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Or "off topic"
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This is the FFL forum. I suspect that others would be willing to do the transfers, but they might have not responded. They can check with the CA DOJ to confirm that it is legal, but some people there know more than others. I confirmed how to do the transfer quite some time ago.
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Thanks for the help guys.
The DOJ instruction to mark transaction as "SB15 exempt" should, I believe be more complete.... add "12078(c) intrafamily transfer, 12133PC Roster exempt". There are many reasons "SB15 exempt" can occur (LEO sale, probate, single-action, single-shot, etc.) and it makes sense to clarify. (What if the gift letter got separated in the paperwork 2 years later during an audit?)
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Well, luckily for all of us, 2 years later there won't BE a roster
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Write it on the 4473. The main thing is to document it in case you are questioned.
You can also staple the letter to the DROS form. I would not be worried about losing the letter since there are many other documents which can not be lost and the letter should be kept with them. My personal opinion is that it is better to just keep the documentation than to include the information on the DROS comment field. I was told by the CA DOJ quite some time ago to just do it as a SB15 exempt. They did not say that there were any requirements for documenting it. The main thing is to be able to show what you did and why.
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Why on earth would you write it on the 4473? The BATFE doesn't care about Californias handgun roster.
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We have in the past done the out of state family transfer and agree that a letter from the family member makes the ATF happy -- not "required", but they like paperwork trails. Send them our way and If and I MEAN IF they can show me they are a CALGUNS supporter I will do the whole transfer for $40 which includes the DROS fees --- better bring a printout
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You mean the DOJ. ATF doesn't care about roster issues.
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The reason to put it on the 4473 is to document it. It is part of the required firearm transaction forms and there is a space to put comments there. Just because it is a Federal form does not mean that the CA DOJ can't look at it. The bound book is a Federal form too, do you think that the CA DOJ can't look at that???
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Bill, I am in also. I'd gladly perform an intra family transfer. Heck I do them now with little fanfare,
Rob
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you can add norse armory in woodland to the list bill
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We're already in. We've done several in the last few months. We ask for and retain any "gift letters", we note "Intrafamilial Transfer" on the DROS form (in the comments section of the DROS tab) and we do the registration as a Curio/Relic/Exempt handgun. We'll do more of them just like we do internet transfer and PPTs. It's just another service Fort Courage provides.
Bill, PM me if there's anything more we can do to help.
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no , not adopted. mother just complicates things, he has to transfer to her and then her to me.
since they are legally married. isnt he legally by step father whether adopted or not? |
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yes, he may be legally your step-father, but does he meet the legal definition of your "parent", and are you legally his "child"?
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How on earth was brother/sister exempted from "immediate family member". I can't think of any more "immediate" family members than identical twins, for instance.
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Suchar Enterprises has always handled these types of transfers. As a previous member noted... "We don't awlays have time to monitor every topic here on CalGuns..."
Count me in.
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Did this ever become a sticky or a FAQ? I could use some help finding someone in the IE (Riverside area) to do this.
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