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Old 08-06-2017, 12:08 PM
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If we have to sell it as a rider for must pass legislation then it doesn't matter if the RINOs like it or not, they can easily say it was needed legislation.
http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index....ckgroundid=381

From what I gather this cannot be a rider without 60 votes.
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Old 08-06-2017, 1:35 PM
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From what I gather this cannot be a rider without 60 votes.
It can be, but would not be filibuster proof.

In 2013 the DemTurds opened the "Nuke" door. Simply use it against them again. Change the policy/rule... vote,... pass,... change it back as needed.

Goose-Gander the basturds.
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Absolutely! That article is pure propaganda and as usual based on lies.
That article, and many like it in the mainstream media, isn't there to report the facts surrounding the issue. It's there to alert the gun banners who haven't heard about the bill and get them moving. It's also there to mislead those on the fence and don't know much about gun laws. We need to push Congress to get HR38 voted and passed.
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That article, and many like it in the mainstream media, isn't there to report the facts surrounding the issue. It's there to alert the gun banners who haven't heard about the bill and get them moving. It's also there to mislead those on the fence and don't know much about gun laws. We need to push Congress to get HR38 voted and passed.


You hit the nail squared on the head.


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Old 08-11-2017, 6:10 PM
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It can be, but would not be filibuster proof.

In 2013 the DemTurds opened the "Nuke" door. Simply use it against them again. Change the policy/rule... vote,... pass,... change it back as needed.

Goose-Gander the basturds.
I seriously doubt the RINOs will allow that to happen. They want zero legislative success under this administration.
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Old 08-13-2017, 10:36 AM
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Pretty much the entire "never Trump" contingency is on the democrats side. Remember last year? Remember all those republicans that were against Trump? Well, they still are.

Primary them all out and see that change quickly. Start with Paul Ryan and Mitch "Mr. Rodgers".
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It is indeed a double edged sword.

If we push for, and get, centralized control over CCW on the federal level, then the Brady group has only one focal point to fight us.

Right now, they have 50.
More like 56 when you include Guam, Puerto Rico, the Northern Mariana Islands, the U.S. Virgin Islands, American Samoa and D.C. The federal government makes it 57.
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Flat out question. Do we even have a chance of this passing? If so, when?


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Old 08-15-2017, 7:42 AM
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There is always a chance but odds makers in Vegas will put this in the very unlikely catagory.

Legalized poligamy has a far better chance here.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/n...l.html?mcubz=1

NJ Senator Menendez could be in trouble, and if he's expelled from the Senate before mid-January, then Chris Christie can name a replacement (even himself) to finish the term which will run for another year.
Getting that seat may be enough to push reciprocity through the Senate.
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Flat out question. Do we even have a chance of this passing? If so, when?
I believe the previous finish lines the Republican Party has thrown out for such things were:

1. When they control the house

Then, after they controlled the house:

2. When they control the senate

Then, after they controlled the house and senate:

3. When they control the white house

Now, since they have the house, senate, and white house...

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I believe the previous finish lines the Republican Party has thrown out for such things were:

1. When they control the house

Then, after they controlled the house:

2. When they control the senate

Then, after they controlled the house and senate:

3. When they control the white house

Now, since they have the house, senate, and white house...

The next one will be 60 (reliable) GOP senators.
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Old 08-20-2017, 6:47 PM
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NJ Senator Menendez could be in trouble, and if he's expelled from the Senate before mid-January, then Chris Christie can name a replacement (even himself) to finish the term which will run for another year.
Getting that seat may be enough to push reciprocity through the Senate.
THEY CAN ALREADY PUSH IT THROUGH.

They (the GOPe) have no spine. They don't want to do anything, dare they offend some leftist illegal pangender person of color who is here collecting financial aide to study post-modern feminism at UC Kremlin. They don't give a single flying F about any of us in the vast middle class.

We have to rise up and kick the ever living s*** out of the GOPe at the polls during the primaries in safe Republican districts. Only when the politicians see that they are actually expected to deliver will they start delivering.

Right now they think you and I are a bunch of suckers. If we don't do something about it in 2018, they're right.
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eh why bring logic into this, that makes too much sense... besides when you have bested a fool, you have accomplished nothing and he is a fool.
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THEY CAN ALREADY PUSH IT THROUGH.

They (the GOPe) have no spine. They don't want to do anything, dare they offend some leftist illegal pangender person of color who is here collecting financial aide to study post-modern feminism at UC Kremlin. They don't give a single flying F about any of us in the vast middle class.

We have to rise up and kick the ever living s*** out of the GOPe at the polls during the primaries in safe Republican districts. Only when the politicians see that they are actually expected to deliver will they start delivering.

Right now they think you and I are a bunch of suckers. If we don't do something about it in 2018, they're right.
Correct, and we need to hit the NRA/ILA on this. Enough of the messages about contacting our reps, most of us have done that. They need to have a sit down with the Congressional leaders and make it clear, it gets pushed through NOW, or our money goes elsewhere.
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Old 08-21-2017, 7:36 AM
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The game will be played as usual. "Sorry, we just couldn't get it done this session, but if you donate to the cause you can be assured it will be passed next time".

Issues are intentionally left unresolved to become permanent campaign issues to run on.
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Old 08-21-2017, 8:05 AM
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The game will be played as usual. "Sorry, we just couldn't get it done this session, but if you donate to the cause, and make sure we get re-elected you can be assured it will be passed next time".

Issues are intentionally left unresolved to become permanent campaign issues to run on.
You left out one little item. But yes, you are absolutely correct.
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It may be heretic talk here on the forums but given the average Republican vs the average Libertarian, I know who will support my 2nd amendment more.
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It may be heretic talk here on the forums but given the average Republican vs the average Libertarian, I know who will support my 2nd amendment more.
How many Libertarian Congressmen are there?
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Old 08-21-2017, 2:53 PM
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There are going to be a lot fewer GOP Congress people if they can't deliver. When you give people to tools they need for the job and they fail, you know what to do.
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How many Libertarian Congressmen are there?
Not as many as the country needs
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It may be heretic talk here on the forums but given the average Republican vs the average Libertarian, I know who will support my 2nd amendment more.
It's not, I think most folks consider Libertarians stronger on guns as a group than Republicans. But there's just not enough of them and Libertarians often seem to run at the expense of generally good Republicans. Current governor Sununu won by about 1.5% in 2016 - Libertarian Abramson pulled nearly 5% and I would suggest most of those votes were taken from Sununu. Van Ostern, the Democrat, isn't even from NH - he's a recent CA transplant. He supports gun control and like Hassan would have vetoed constitutional carry. And I'd sure as heck not have just today received my "shall issue" NH non-res CCW either for when I'm visiting family and home in Plaistow & the NH/MA border.

If we could get Libertarians to run against Democrats and win, that would be fine with me.
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It may be heretic talk here on the forums but given the average Republican vs the average Libertarian, I know who will support my 2nd amendment more.
So why did the Libertarians run an anti-gun socialist? Did not the majority of Libertarians vote for him at the convention?
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So why did the Libertarians run an anti-gun socialist? Did not the majority of Libertarians vote for him at the convention?
Gary Johnson is not an anti-gun socialist, who are you talking about? Weld? Weld was a weak running mate and libertarians seemed to be pretty disappointed with that choice.
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Gary Johnson is not an anti-gun socialist, who are you talking about? Weld? Weld was a weak running mate and libertarians seemed to be pretty disappointed with that choice.
The vice-president is "one heartbeat away from the presidency". And if you saw Gary Johnson during the campaign as he responded to questions he didn't like by apparently having near strokes...

Was the Libertarian Party convention free to choose the presidential candidate of their choice (knowing who that candidate would pick as his running mate), or was it fixed like the Democratic Party convention/primaries?

From an NRA ILA article of August 16, 2016:

Weld:

"The five-shot rifle, that’s a standard military rifle. The problem is if you attach a clip to it so it can fire more shells and if you remove the pin so that it becomes an automatic weapon. And those are independent criminal offenses. That’s when they become essentially a weapon of mass destruction."

Weld went on to suggest to the interviewer that both handguns and AR-15s are a “problem,” stating, “The problem with handguns is probably even worse than the problem of the AR-15.”

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2016...to-be-anti-gun
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Johnson inbearist the whole Libertarian party by his choice of Weld ( an idiot ) and his behavior. So much to defending the principles of Libertarians. Just two more stupid swamp creatures. The key is to drain the swamp not just rotate the creatures in it. The key is the coming Republican primaries. If your not Republican and are in an area that can make a difference ( think McCain, Flack, Ryan, Mitchael ). Get radical and change to Republican so you can vote in the primaries. You can always change back after the election. We need to send a message to the swamp.
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"The five-shot rifle, that’s a standard military rifle. The problem is if you attach a clip to it so it can fire more shells and if you remove the pin so that it becomes an automatic weapon. And those are independent criminal offenses. That’s when they become essentially a weapon of mass destruction."

Weld went on to suggest to the interviewer that both handguns and AR-15s are a “problem,” stating, “The problem with handguns is probably even worse than the problem of the AR-15.”

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2016...to-be-anti-gun
Weld was not selected by vote, just like all other running mates. As I said, Weld was a weak running mate and libertarians seemed to be pretty disappointed with that choice.

FWIW, Weld was elected governor as a republican.

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Weld was not selected by vote, just like all other running mates. As I said, Weld was a weak running mate and libertarians seemed to be pretty disappointed with that choice.

FWIW, Weld was elected governor as a republican.
What's another term for a gun-control-advocating "republican"?

I was referring to the convention choice of Gary Johnson and whether that was an "open" vote or if "the fix was in" as it was for Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders with the Democrats primaries and convention delegate selection process. Did Johnson announce Weld as his VP choice before Johnson was voted on? I didn't really follow the Libertarian candidate selection process because Johnson already had too many policy positions I did not favor. Him selecting Weld and then both of them saying that they pretty much agreed with Hillary Clinton's positions on a number of issues only made the situation more absurd.
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What's another term for a gun-control-advocating "republican"?

I was referring to the convention choice of Gary Johnson and whether that was an "open" vote or if "the fix was in" as it was for Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders with the Democrats primaries and convention delegate selection process. Did Johnson announce Weld as his VP choice before Johnson was voted on? I didn't really follow the Libertarian candidate selection process because Johnson already had too many policy positions I did not favor. Him selecting Weld and then both of them saying that they pretty much agreed with Hillary Clinton's positions on a number of issues only made the situation more absurd.
On May 18, 2016, Johnson announced that he had chosen former Republican Massachusetts Governor William Weld to be his running mate.

The first ballot of the 2016 Libertarian National Convention was held on May 29, 2016.

So Yeah, The Libertarians happily voted for Johnson AND Weld.
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On May 18, 2016, Johnson announced that he had chosen former Republican Massachusetts Governor William Weld to be his running mate.

The first ballot of the 2016 Libertarian National Convention was held on May 29, 2016.

So Yeah, The Libertarians happily voted for Johnson AND Weld.
Libertarian party is infiltrated, bought and paid for by the liberals.

Need to start over from scratch.
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I was referring to the convention choice of Gary Johnson and whether that was an "open" vote or if "the fix was in" as it was for Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders with the Democrats primaries and convention delegate selection process.
Id go with, the fix was in. Johnson was the candidate in 2012 also. I think he is the ralph nader of the libertarian party. Most libertarians are not actually engaged in the party so it would be pretty easy to secure the nomination, and/or to infiltrate the party as a dem or rep. They allowed wanted/accused murdered John McAfee to be put on the ballot for christsake
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