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Old 07-16-2018, 11:50 AM
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In the past I reloaded 308 Win for target and hunting, with Sierra 165 Gameking BTHP. Used Federal Match case with 4064 powder. The load would shoot sub MOA all day long, and worked well for antelope.

Thru a couple of moves, I have misplaced my load data...

I'm thinking about rebuilding my loads using 168SMK's for target shooting. What would be a good powder to look at?

The reason I ask, is 4064 works great, but the extruded powder does not meter well. Previously I would meter about 2 grains short and then trickle the rest with a scale.

Short of sticking with 4064, what ball or flake powder would be worth looking at?
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Old 07-16-2018, 11:52 AM
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Blc-2 meters amazingly well.
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:00 PM
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Ramshot Tac with 175's works well for me. Meters great also.
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:06 PM
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win 748 is also good but I do not load that heavy of a bullets so I do not know the data for it. I also only load accurate HUNTING ammo(bullets) so some of the rules are different.
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Old 07-17-2018, 12:33 AM
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Ramshot Tac with 175's works well for me. Meters great also.


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Blc-2 meters amazingly well.


Iíve used W748, Tac, BLC-2 and 8208XBR. The latter isnít ball or flake but short extruded. It meters pretty well.
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Old 07-17-2018, 6:02 AM
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Varget works great for me. Not sure how it meters, though, as I use a an Fx120 scale.
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4064 works great, but the extruded powder does not meter well. Previously I would meter about 2 grains short and then trickle the rest with a scale.
Maybe you need a better powder measure. I use 4064 in most applications and the Hornady meters to +/- .3 grains max (usually under .2gr). One of the Lee powder measures is said to be spot-on with 4064.

The 308 load of 41.5gr 4064 with a 168 OTM is very forgiving when it comes to loading variances, even at 600yds.

Just some food for thought.

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Old 07-17-2018, 6:25 AM
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Choices for 308 are pretty plentiful. Haven't tried all the choices others above have suggested.

What I have tried or heard:
Varget, 8208XBR, VV N140, and reportedly CFE223 (dunno, haven't tried it) are all right in there as well. The first 3 will meter better than 4064 (short grained stick powders.) CFE should present no problems with metering (flattened ball powder.) I skipped using CFE as the others are acceptable to me.

I normally run Varget; with 4064, you pretty much have to throw short and trickle each charge, or accept some pretty large charge variations (not that big a deal for me, as I do that with almost everything.)
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I have an older RCBS Uniflow; got it new 35 years ago when I got my Rock Chucker.

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Maybe you need a better powder measure. I use 4064 in most applications and the Hornady meters to +/- .3 grains max (usually under .2gr). One of the Lee powder measures is said to be spot-on with 4064.

The 308 load of 41.5gr 4064 with a 168 OTM is very forgiving when it comes to loading variances, even at 600yds.

Just some food for thought.
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I use IMR 8208 XBR, very good powder that covers all seasons, (well out here....hot and hotter) meters excellent, good burn and no residue and leaves a cleaner bore.....it shoots well in all elevations....very satisfied with the product

I run it in 30.30..30'06...7.62x51
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Depends what you are loading for. I doubt it's plinking. If it's for some type of precision, you should be measuring with a digital or bar scale for the best consistency. Mass production plinking ammo is what a Progressive is for IMHO.
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I have an older RCBS Uniflow; got it new 35 years ago when I got my Rock Chucker.
Then you either need to improve your technique or calibrate your scale.
How close are you trying to throw a charge? Both of my 40 or more year old uniflowís throw +/- .1 gr with extruded and closer than that with ball powder.
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My favorite powders for .308 is Varget and RL15. I use the RCBS Chargemaster. I can shoot one ragged hole at 100 yards all day long. For plinking, you canít go wrong with any of the ball powder.
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My old loads were for target and antelope. 400-500 yard on Wyoming antelope is not unusual.

At the time 20 years ago, the 165 Gamking BTHP was highly rated for accuracy, so I used it for antelope and informal target shooting. They were consistently 0.4-0.5 groups.

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Maybe you need a better powder measure. I use 4064 in most applications and the Hornady meters to +/- .3 grains max (usually under .2gr). One of the Lee powder measures is said to be spot-on with 4064.

The 308 load of 41.5gr 4064 with a 168 OTM is very forgiving when it comes to loading variances, even at 600yds.

Just some food for thought.

Iíve had a Hornady powder measure for like 25 years. It works great. It throws imr4895 to about the same accuracy. In fact I think itís closer to to +/- .2 grains.

And speaking of imr4895, nobody has mentioned that. I load 41.5 grains with a 168smk. Shoots under 1Ē with my ruger predator. And Iím not a great shot so itís probably better than that.

Maybe thereís better powders available, but I had a good amount of it on hand due to loading for my garand. Funny thing, itís great for the Ď06, 308, and Iíve just discovered, 223.



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I used to use H4895 but the last 5 years I've stuck with Varget. I mostly shoot 150 grain pills and have been limited to about 250 yards. I get good accuracy for me: say 1 MOA typically. I'm not a good judge of wind speed so that gets me sometimes. I will typically shoot in the 44 t 45 . grain range depending on my bullet type. 47 grains is the reported max. Sorry I don't have a specific load for you. I'm at work.
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I’ve had a Hornady powder measure for like 25 years. It works great. It throws imr4895 to about the same accuracy. In fact I think it’s closer to to +/- .2 grains.

And speaking of imr4895, nobody has mentioned that. I load 41.5 grains with a 168smk. Shoots under 1” with my ruger predator.
IMR4895 is a great powder for 308 SMK 168 combo, and meters very well. Anywhere around 41.0 to 42.0 you will find an accurate load that you can just meter and not worry about trickling.

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I used to use H4895 but the last 5 years I've stuck with Varget. I mostly shoot 150 grain pills and have been limited to about 250 yards. I get good accuracy for me: say 1 MOA typically. I'm not a good judge of wind speed so that gets me sometimes. I will typically shoot in the 44 t 45 . grain range depending on my bullet type. 47 grains is the reported max. Sorry I don't have a specific load for you. I'm at work.
Thats because these kids won't listen. Has to be the latest greatest new fangled whizz bang crap. IMR 4895 will load everything from .223 to 30-06 but try to tell them that.
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Get a Gempro250 electronic scale. 4064 is great, try 42.2 grains in your FC brass. 2.800” oal works for most factory chambers.
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H4895 and Varget are my goto powders for 308 and 168's. Both meter very well with the cheap ol Lee Perfect Powder measure; consistently within +/-0.1 gr. Win748, TAC, aa2520, aa2460, BLC-2 have been satisfactory ball powders for me as well with 168s and when charges are near max but not as accurate as H4895 or Varget.
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