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Old 06-12-2018, 8:18 PM
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Default DA 9mm compact for CCW

I am considering a S&W shield but also want to consider a DA gun, any suggestions on a CA legal one that can be had relatively cheaply?
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Not relatively cheap but H&K p2000sk
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A used Kahr PM9
A new Kahr CW9
A used HK P2000 LEM
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Cz p01
Cz pcr
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Used off roster SiG P225 / P228
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Second the Kahr CW9. Also, let’s not forget the G26 as a fairly cheap option.

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I would recommend a kahr cw9 also. I use to have a cw 45 and I currently have a cm9. Both are very good carry guns. Both are reliable with a very smooth but long trigger pull.
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CW9 by Kahr

Ruger LC9 used, if safety desired. Though off roster, might be found for less than the CW9, as once very common. The long trigger pull and many safety features seem to keep price low for an off roster pistol.
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Old 06-13-2018, 4:10 AM
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KAHR P9 has been a flawless choice
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Thanks for all the comments. Iíve been watching a lot of these videos on this channel and respect his opinion and style of teaching. He basically says the long first pull is a bit of another safety measure and I like that idea.

https://youtu.be/IP8F_cwotM8
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Another vote for the PCR or P-01. In addition to being great guns they are also priced well. I prefer the PCR unless you need a rail.

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Alloy framed but still soft recoiling and accurate.
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Hello, what about some smaller versions? SCCY, Diamondback? I know they are off roster-You never see these in the PPT for sale section! Thanks!
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Kahr PM9! It makes a great pocket gun, recoil is reasonable and the trigger is long but smooth. It is on roster. I would tell you to get the CM9 since they cost around $300 but it is off roster. The $300ish CW9 is on roster and is a good gun too. The CW9 is Shield sized.

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Hello, what about some smaller versions? SCCY, Diamondback? I know they are off roster-You never see these in the PPT for sale section! Thanks!
No.

Get a Glock 26 g3 for best results. The Kahrs are decent and a PM9 beats most 9mm guns for pocket carry. I avoid 380 if a all possible.
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Thanks for all the comments. I’ve been watching a lot of these videos on this channel and respect his opinion and style of teaching. He basically says the long first pull is a bit of another safety measure and I like that idea.

https://youtu.be/IP8F_cwotM8
No. It is a problem. You will like the idea until you get a little bit of pressure from a timer or instructor...and then it all falls apart. I speak as an eight time/fifteen year SIG P220 owner (and several other models and I own none at this time). That first shot pull requires some serious training to master and continuous training to maintain. The issue is not getting hits on paper. It comes into play in dynamic shooting scenarios. You must be able to work that trigger correctly, in different ways, consecutively. Otherwise, your five yard target will be peppered with minute of throat to nuts hits because you were distracted by drawing, yelling and moving. You must be able to draw, move and shoot while ignoring problems. A consistent trigger helps in getting first and second shot burst hits.

Lucky Gunner’s opinions are usually pretty good, but he is wrong in this case. His stance on DA revolvers is stupid and continues to irritate me (along with those who parrot the BS).

You would be better served by watching John Correia on Active Self Protection.
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No. It is a problem. You will like the idea until you get a little bit of pressure from a timer or instructor...and then it all falls apart. I speak as an eight time/fifteen year SIG P220 owner (and several other models and I own none at this time). That first shot pull requires some serious training to master and continuous training to maintain. The issue is not getting hits on paper. It comes into play in dynamic shooting scenarios. You must be able to work that trigger correctly, in different ways, consecutively. Otherwise, your five yard target will be peppered with minute of throat to nuts hits because you were distracted by drawing, yelling and moving. You must be able to draw, move and shoot while ignoring problems. A consistent trigger helps in getting first and second shot burst hits.

Lucky Gunnerís opinions are usually pretty good, but he is wrong in this case. His stance on DA revolvers is stupid and continues to irritate me (along with those who parrot the BS).

You would be better served by watching John Correia on Active Self Protection.


Are you saying that the pro of added safety bs the con of the first trigger pull and required training isnít enough to justify.

For reference Iím not looking to pocket carry necessarily but IWB. Like I said initially I was looking at the shield until I ran across this video.
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:27 AM
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H&K P2000 LEM
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:48 AM
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They're not on roster, but keep an eye out on CG marketplace and you'll see them.

Ruger LC9 - It's a solid DAO option for CCW. They come up pretty regularly on CG marketplace which is where I bought mine. Usually $400 +/- depending on condition and market demand at the time. I had one. Preferred my Sig so I sold it to a friend who loves it and it's now his EDC.

Sig P290rs - My personal CCW 9mm DAO. They come up rarely, but you'll see a couple in the marketplace a year. I remember seeing one recently in San Diego for a reasonable CA price ($500-$600 CA mark-up price). It's considerably smaller than a Glock 26 (I have a G27 on my CCW and it's a lot larger compared to the Sig.
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No. It is a problem. You will like the idea until you get a little bit of pressure from a timer or instructor...and then it all falls apart. I speak as an eight time/fifteen year SIG P220 owner (and several other models and I own none at this time). That first shot pull requires some serious training to master and continuous training to maintain. The issue is not getting hits on paper. It comes into play in dynamic shooting scenarios. You must be able to work that trigger correctly, in different ways, consecutively. Otherwise, your five yard target will be peppered with minute of throat to nuts hits because you were distracted by drawing, yelling and moving. You must be able to draw, move and shoot while ignoring problems. A consistent trigger helps in getting first and second shot burst hits.

Lucky Gunnerís opinions are usually pretty good, but he is wrong in this case. His stance on DA revolvers is stupid and continues to irritate me (along with those who parrot the BS).

You would be better served by watching John Correia on Active Self Protection.
I'd think that a good smooth trigger with lots of training time could eliminate that.
I don't have much experience with DA/SA guns outside of the M9, though, so I can't really say if it makes that much of a difference.
Btw, I can't stand a lot of Correia's opinions
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FWIW, I had to give up my CW9 (loved it) because of a little arthritis in my trigger finger. I couldn't quite make it break because of big hands and the break point being so close to the grip. Got a shield instead. :-)
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CW9, love this gun!
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Maybe I should find somewhere and shoot some of these recommendations and pick one or maybe two or three hah
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Maybe I should find somewhere and shoot some of these recommendations and pick one or maybe two or three hah
That would be my recommendation. In general, my advice is to rent a bunch and figure out which one you like. Then buy at least two carry guns so you can have a small and medium size. Personally, I like having a small, medium, and large for different occasions. Preferably different sizes of the same type; i.e. Glocks, S&W, etc. I do carry a compact most of the time, though.
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What is the pro/con of a DA gun that has an external hammer (Sig) vs one that does not (Kahr)
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No. It is a problem. You will like the idea until you get a little bit of pressure from a timer or instructor...and then it all falls apart. I speak as an eight time/fifteen year SIG P220 owner (and several other models and I own none at this time). That first shot pull requires some serious training to master and continuous training to maintain. The issue is not getting hits on paper. It comes into play in dynamic shooting scenarios. You must be able to work that trigger correctly, in different ways, consecutively. Otherwise, your five yard target will be peppered with minute of throat to nuts hits because you were distracted by drawing, yelling and moving. You must be able to draw, move and shoot while ignoring problems. A consistent trigger helps in getting first and second shot burst hits.

Lucky Gunnerís opinions are usually pretty good, but he is wrong in this case. His stance on DA revolvers is stupid and continues to irritate me (along with those who parrot the BS).

You would be better served by watching John Correia on Active Self Protection.


I agree with this 100%. I experienced this firsthand with the Sig P229 which I shoot very well during controlled shooting and in SA mode. Did my CCW test with the P229, drawing from the holster, under time and was chagrined at how off my first and second shots were under pressure and time.

Only striker fired pistols for carry since that fateful day.

The irony is that most new shooters really like the idea of the DA/SA manual of arms for safety because they are not comfortable with a striker ready to go in condition 0. Yet, it's exactly this inexperience that makes the DA/SA so challenging to use in a true self-defense scenario.


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The closest that you're going to get is the DAO hammer fired Ruger LC380 then purchase the 9mm conversion.

There's a forum member selling his now. Note that the rostered version does not have the restrike ability that DAO's and DA/SA pistols traditionally have so it is essentially a heavy striker pistol.
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Kahr P9.
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I carried a PM 9 for several years, it was completely reliable after the first 200 rounds a d suprisingly accurate for its size. I shifted to a Glock 43 for the increased grip length and to have identical actions / trigger pulls on each of my carry guns.
In my opinion, the biggest advantage of a striker fired pistol is that it doesn't collect arm pit hair, lint, and dirt like an external hammered pistol.
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Give the Ruger LCR in 9mm a look.

https://www.ruger.com/products/lcr/specSheets/5456.html


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I have the exact gun in 22LR. Love it!

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Kahr CW9 is a good choice. But if you're looking for a little more capacity I'd suggest (as other have) one of the CZ compacts or even the sub-compact CZ 2075 RAMI

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Another vote for the HK P2000sk with the light LEM trigger. A regular LEM trigger can be lightened by changing two tiny springs. The HK isn’t the cheapest but it is the first handgun that I’d reach for when my life is on the line.
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FWIW, there are many experts with vastly different opinions and logical reasons to back up those opinions. Then contrast that to real stories of SD situations and the one constant is a gun was used successfully. All sorts of different guns have been used by all sorts of different people with vastly different skill levels.

Training does greatly improve the probability of a successful outcome and there is no one right way to train. One has to match the training with the individual.

When I first started carrying, I was told by many that I stupid to carry a Glock. I was going to get Glock leg or worse. I almost bought one of the many devices that are marketed to make Glocks safer. As time went by and I figured out what works best for me, including holster, carry position, and everything else to address my concerns about safety while being able to effectively us my weapon for SD, I stopped worrying about my choice. I quit searching for other gun choices. Glocks work for me.

So, if one feels the need for a DA/SA just to have an extra level of safety, then go with that. You will feel much more comfortable in carrying. Train with it and understand the weaknesses and prepare for them. No one gun or one method of carry is perfect. All have pros and cons.

Find what works for you right now so you will carry without any worry. As time goes on and you train, have more experiences, learn, you might decide you want a different choice because for you it works better. The pros outweigh the cons.

I do have a few all steel 1911 type C&R pistols that I love to shoot. They are softer shooting than my Glocks with much smoother triggers. I would never use them for CC because it would be a disaster, I could not deploy them as quickly and use them as effectively as my Glocks.

BTW, a very long time ago I was in a real SD situation. I had no training and used a firearm that everyone would agree is the absolutely wrong one to use if ever given a choice. I survived because I was extremely familiar with the firearm and I did what I had to do. Survival instincts took over. Without ever thinking I found cover then returned fire. They had semiautomatic handguns and revolvers, I had a lever action rifle. I did not know at the time I was using the wrong ammo, ammo was ammo. It worked out I survived even though I probably did most everything wrong according to the experts.

Today, I would do everything wrong again because I have severely limited mobility and cannot move fast or do all of the other movements that require one's body to have a full range of motion. I can still hit what I need to hit and I can still find effective cover. Most importantly, I have a weapon and the overwhelming majority of SD situations end when the BG realize you have a weapon and can fight back. What they want from you is not worth death.
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the P2000SK is one of my CCWs. No recoil, super smooth and accurate. You get what you pay for with and H&K. My "big" CCW is a USP Compact .45ACP. Same thing - no recoil, etc.

I'd recommend going H&K.
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The Ruger LCR-9mm is IMO the perfect pocket CCW. If you are going to carry on the belt, then I'd stick to the shield (thinner + more rounds).
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