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Old 07-19-2018, 1:49 PM
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Why spend money on any gun then, following this line of thought? They're all in the crosshairs, so to speak.
I wanted opinions on which ones 'might' be overlooked by the Dems, if any.....I didn't think Minis would get by, but maybe someone knew something i didn't.....i hoped.....
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Old 07-19-2018, 6:54 PM
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It was banned through CONFIGURATION in the Roberti Roos list.

Firearms prohibited by configuration (Category III)

Other firearms are banned from sale or possession by certain characteristics or configuration as determined by parts or features. If an undefined firearm is modified with any of the following characteristics, it can subsequently be classified as a banned assault weapon.[citation needed] These are as given in Penal Code section 12276.1 and 30515:[8]

(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.

My mini 14 GB-F had a factory folding stock, factory pistol grip, factory bayonet lug and factory flash hider.

I registered it because of this.
Not that it really matters but Roberti-Roos only banned weapons by make an model. There was no "Category III" or defined characteristics back in 1989. You must be referring to a later ban.

Again, not that anyone gives Cr@p at this point, but.... Category III didn't exist until 1999:

Assault Weapon Generic Characteristics (Penal Code Section 12276.1)
The Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989 (Penal Code section 12276) regulates specific assault
weapons by makes and models. Since its passage in 1989
, many manufacturers created new firearm models
that have very similar characteristics to controlled assault weapons. In response, the Legislature passed and the
governor signed SB 23 (Chapter 129, Statutes of 1999), which created Penal Code section 12276.1 to define
assault weapons by generic characteristics. It is important to understand that the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons
Control Act of 1989 (Penal Code section 12276), which lists assault weapons by make and model, is still
the law and those weapons were required to be registered on or before March 31, 1992 (with the exception of
certain AK series and AR-15 series weapons, which were required to be registered on or before January 23,
2001). (Penal Code §§ 12276.1)

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Muzzle loaders will get you the most time.
Here ya go, its an assault muzzle loader with pistol grip and forward pistol grip.

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Here ya go, its an assault muzzle loader with pistol grip and forward pistol grip.
Finally. Someone actually brings a true single-shot into the discussion.
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Old 07-20-2018, 9:20 AM
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+1. Cant wait until Judge Kavannagh gets sworn into the Supreme Court.
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Well a new MINI Tactical 5846 already qualifies. My Mini back in 2000 qualified with a Choate skeleton pistol grip stock (non-folding). I had the choice of registering it or removing the stock. It has had either the standard or traditional Butler Creek stock since. Even back then my Mini was lumped into the same group as an AR. Back then there were no options for AR's because they qualified by brand/model listed and known to have evil features and the Mini was qualified by evil features that were optional and reversible. All BS.
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I wanted opinions on which ones 'might' be overlooked by the Dems, if any.....I didn't think Minis would get by, but maybe someone knew something i didn't.....i hoped.....
Nothing is being overlooked by them. They want your guns. Period.
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Featureless was passed and vetoed by Brown.
Featureless was proposed again in 2017 but died in committee.
Expect featureless to be passed and signed by Newsom in 2019.
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Featureless was passed and vetoed by Brown.
Featureless was proposed again in 2017 but died in committee.
Expect featureless to be passed and signed by Newsom in 2019.
So what? Are you thinking another round of registrations?
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Old 07-21-2018, 1:05 PM
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So what? Are you thinking another round of registrations?
Yep.
Those who went featureless will be forced to go fixed-mag to avoid registration.
Next on the list will be fixed mag, meaning every semi-auto will be registered AW.

It'll take a few years... Next ban passed in '19, new AW definition takes effect Jan 2020, registration window open until mid-2021.
Fixed mag ban may or may not overlap.

Figure the semiauto rifle has no more than 6 years left in CA before no configuration is legal to transfer.
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Wait till they start watching videos of 1 mile steel plate shots with bolt action lrp rifles. The “sniper rifle” ban will be coming to commifornia soon I predict. Combine that with lead ammo bans, and the closing down of public ranges and throttling BLM usage, plus the ever dwindling handgun roster.


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Wait till they start watching videos of 1 mile steel plate shots with bolt action lrp rifles. The “sniper rifle” ban will be coming to commifornia soon I predict. Combine that with lead ammo bans, and the closing down of public ranges and throttling BLM usage, plus the ever dwindling handgun roster.


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When all that occurs, we will see what the crowd that proclaims "cowards leave the state, you must stay and fight" finally do; I bet they bail as well.
I won't be waiting until then. I've already started the process.
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I've already started the process.

Congrats. It’ll be worth whatever headaches you must endure, trust me.



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Old 07-21-2018, 3:19 PM
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Yep.
Those who went featureless will be forced to go fixed-mag to avoid registration.
Next on the list will be fixed mag, meaning every semi-auto will be registered AW.

It'll take a few years... Next ban passed in '19, new AW definition takes effect Jan 2020, registration window open until mid-2021.
Fixed mag ban may or may not overlap.

Figure the semi-auto rifle has no more than 6 years left in CA before no configuration is legal to transfer.
Boy you're just a bundle of optimism, aren't you.

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Boy you're just a bundle of optimism, aren't you.
Randy
He's just being realistic IMO. The only salvation for this mess is if the SCOTUS gets involved, sooner the better After Kavanaugh gets confirmed that gives us a 5-4 vote at least, more likely 6-3.

I'm guessing there is already a plan with someone ready to take the fall on a predetermined case that they will almost have to hear.....

But I admit, that's a lot of wishful thinking....
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well he didnt ask IF, he asked WHEN and while that may be difficult to figure out we can probably expect that in the next 10 years in Commifornia unless things take a turn for the better.
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Boy you're just a bundle of optimism, aren't you.
Our next governor WROTE Prop-63.
San Francisco is openly registering illegals to vote.

How do you think it's going to work out?
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When Newsome becomes Gov, ALL semi auto rifles will be assault weapons here.

At least that is his goal. If he succeeds, then he will go after pistols.
We can only hope as that is a fast track to the courts. 5 million people.
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Probably not for a while. They couldn't even handle the relatively few registrants this go around.

They couldn't do it on time, they couldn't do it on budget. If they tried to register everything they risk their failures turning into court cases.
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