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Warning: Don't be complacent! ND's can happen to anyone.
Went pig hunting w/ a few guys yesterday. After one guy (let's call him "Dave") nails a hog, we all gather over it to get a looksee. Dave then asks another guy (let's call him "Mark") to lend him his rangefinder so he can measure the shot. Mark has the rangefinder hanging from a strap on his neck, so he has to shift his rifle over to get to it.
BLAM! Fortunately, the muzzle was pointed downward. Mark's foot and Dave's foot were about a foot apart, and the bullet split the difference nicely. No splatter or ricochet, either. Thank God. I'm deaf. Mark is standing there, jaw dropped, frozen in a "WaaaaaTFuuuuuu just happened?" pose. Dave is doing La Cucaracha. (ETA: Now that I think of it, it looked more like River Dancing. ) Thing is, Mark has been working as a firearms instructor for a Federal LE agency for the last 13 years. After his initial shock wore off, he was the first to call it a negligent discharge. "Somehow" the safety was turned off, and when he shifted his rifle over, his finger slipped into the trigger guard and tapped the trigger. His rifle, a Rem 700 in .308, has an unmodified stock trigger. The rest of the day, Mark beats himself up pretty badly over it, shaking his head while mumbling "Thirteen years....thirteen years....I can't believe it, man....ND....me.....thirteen years." So I told him it was a great lesson learned. That it happens to ALL of us, not just noobs. That, like motorcycle riders, there are only two types: the ones that have, and the ones that will. That's why there are FOUR rules, not three, not two. Fortunately, the muzzle was pointed downward. No harm done, small price to pay for a very important reminder. BE EVER DILIGENT ABOUT GUN SAFETY. COMPLACENCY IS THE ENEMY. OBEY THE FOUR RULES AT ALL TIMES. Just a friendly reminder. Shoot safe.
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Glad to hear no one was injured, also glad to know that experienced veterans can have problems too. Good lesson learned, how's the ringing in the ear? Can you still hear the phone ringing or did it go away?
-Gio
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glad to hear everyone stayed safe.
and i would not like to hear what the .308 sounds like without plugs..... loud enough with them on
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Didn't shoot for almost 10 years and a buddy invited me to the range... felt strange putting on the "headphones". Couldn't tell you how many hundreds of .30-06 rounds discharged inches from my head. Of course, my ears constantly ring.
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As the others have said, glad that everyone is safe, and yes, ND's happen, even to the best of us, Instructors, Soldiers, Law Enforcement, and Regular Joes alike.
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You live and you learn.
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Of course, his ears were ringing painfully all day. I couldn't tell you how many times he stuck a finger in his right ear, hoping to shake out whatever it was that was stinging his brain. To no avail. There's a hog guide we used up in SLO. Guy never used plugs or muffs. No telling how many rifles in God knows how many magnum calibers he's "heard" over the years. The guy can't even have a normal conversation in the cab of his pickup. You literally have to shout in his ear for him to hear what you're saying. Hearing never regenerates. Ear muffs for me, thanks. And I double up when at the range, too.
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Oh absolutely.
It's one of those "if I knew then what I know now" things. Like I said... I have constant ringing... too many years of gunfire, rock and roll, and motorcycles (and I still refuse to wear plugs when riding).
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Just remembered a small tidbit: Mark said he actually felt heat from the muzzle blast through his boot!
Again, thank goodness everyone left w/ the same number of holes they came with.
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I've had two in my lifetime.
1 pistol 1 Shotgun.
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And that is why professional game guides never let you chamber a round until you are ready to fire.
The same thing happened to me as a kid with a BB gun. From that time on I never load unless I intend to fire. |
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Tell your buddy Mark that it was a humility lesson.
Over the years, I've learned that as people become complacent about their "proficiency" to handle guns safely, they eventually get lax and something like this happens. And I'm no exception. And when it happens, you get very humbled by it and resort to strict discipline for years afterwards. Rule #1 - Always point the muzzle in a safe direction. If you forget every other rule and the gun discharges, no one is hurt and nothing valuable is destroyed. |
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Glad no one got hurt, "stuff happens" that's why we always obey the rules.
Double up on ear protection at the indoor range. When my buddy hands me an open unloaded gun, I CHECK IT MYSELF. I've let the slide down on a few bangs, make sure its ALWAYS pointed downrange. A bit unnerving. Can never be too safe. |
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I had a gun fall out of a new whiz-bang holster and go off when the muzzle hit the cement.
I never used that holster again. The 9mm lead bullet left a nice little 2" diameter reminder in the cement that I see every time I visit that range.
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I think that is just one of the reasons most ranges don't allow the use of holsters.
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What gun discharged when it hit the ground?
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A race glock with no firing pin block.
The thing is that the gun could have hit the ground in ANY other direction and it would not have fired. The mass of the firing pin when the gun lands on the muzzle was enough to set the primer off. Now the gun has a lightweight firing pin.
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At the beginning of a course of fire in a match.
The start position was leaning over, hands on the bedframe. So I leaned over, the gun rolled out of the holster, hit the floor and went off.
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all the years of shooting firearms with no ear protection, loud motorcycles and rock n roll caught up with me, I wear a hearing aid in my left ear and I have a Cochlear Implant in my right ear...........if I only knew then what I know now............
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At the time, there were no surgical options. I don't know if an implant would work or not... or if it would be worth it.
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Damn that would've caused a code brown. I bet you could hear a fly fart after that one......
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Glad to hear no one was hit. I've had an Odd-6 go off about 12'' from my face years ago.
It's something that I'll never forget and the memory will never go away. It makes you more aware around others and yourself while handling with one up the pipe. Everyone's gtg except the piggy. good show! -g
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I agree....
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lol my friend with his new 44LC was about 1" from blowing his foot off. had it in his holster and was drawing and this thing has a hair trigger that went off. he frooze i nearly **** my pants, being a few ft away and no ear protection on. we looked you could see the edge of the crater was right by the ball of his heels.
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Interesting timing. I'm working out on the East Coast and I shoot matches at the local range. They're one of the very few that allow you to practice from the holster. Well, sooner or later...
"Accidental Discharge Sunday, January 3, 2010 On Sunday evening a Member of the Silver Eagle Group sustained an injury to his leg and foot when he accidentally discharged his firearm while holstering it on the range. The SEG Team immediately administered first aid to the injured party, rendered all ranges safe and had the Member transported to the emergency room. It is anticipated that he will make a full recovery. In an effort to safeguard his privacy, SEG is not releasing the name of the injured Member. We would like to remind all shooters the importance of safe handling techniques and proper firearm maintenance. Thanks and safe shooting, The Silver Eagle Group Team" |
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My first and only ND happened when I was about thirteen. I had a new BB gun and stuck my finger in front of the barrel to feel the air. Unfortunately it had a BB loaded (I thought it was unloaded). The BB penetrated my finger down to the bone, and after my Dad tried extracting it with a kitchen knife (yes, really) he took me to the hospital. I still have the scar over 40 years later. I learned that lesson early, the hard way. At least it was a BB gun.
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I beg to differ. I nearly blew my hand off when a Makarov went full auto on me after I simply slapped a magazine in. Turns out, cosmoline glued the firing pin in the forward position, and Mak slide locks are notoriously weak.
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The problem with assuming that an ND -- or motorcycle crash -- is inevitable is that if it does happen to you, you may not really reflect on what lead up to the ND or crash, because it was bound to happen eventually. That, and it's not really fair to those who haven't had an ND or a crash because they've been careful to avoid them... Just my $0.02, for what it's worth. |
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