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Is a Colt LE6940 legal in CA?
Hello,
I will be moving to California from Utah in a few months. I own a Colt LE6940 rifle. I have heard that it IS legal, and from others I have heard that it IS NOT legal. So which is it? Legal or not? Also, if it is legal, is there anything I have to do to it before I bring it with me when I move. I know that I cant bring the 30 round magazines with me, but what about the 6940 itself? Thanks. John. |
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You would need to install a magazine lock...bullet button... in order to bring it in to CA. After adding the non-detachable magazine lock, you can only run 10-round magazines.
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It doesnt specifically list the 6940 and I have heard different opinions about whether the 6940 would fall under the "all" category or not. |
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I assume I would need a gunsmith to do this for me since I dont have the tools or training? Also, is that process reverseable? For example, if I move OUT of California one day, back to a gun friendly state, would I be able to REVERSE it and again be able to use 30 rounders, etc.. |
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Francis, the bullet button is very easy to install and remove. You do not need a gunsmith for this, nor any training.
With the bullet button, you may have the pistol grip and collapsible stock. Just make sure any rifle you bring into the state exceeds 30" in length in its shortest configuration (stock collapsed or folded). Your Colt is legal and the question was answered here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=194301 Welcome to the site and state! |
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Muzzle brakes are always legal. Do not use a flash hider on featureless rifles (your rifle has a detachable magazine and no evil feature like a pistol grip, collapsible stock, etc). Check out the first page of the flowchart posted by pointedstick.
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The Colt 6940 is one of the four off-list Colt's. Check out/stop by Norse Armory in Woodland, we currently have one of each!! We have a 6940, two M4LE's, a Car-A3 HBAR Elite, and a Colt Carbine(Only 300-400 ever sold in U.S., VERY rare find). We can also get new/used Colt uppers. Ask for Pavel with regards to the Colt stuff...
www.norsearmory.net |
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An A2 Bridcage is a Flash Suppresor, not a Muzzle Brake
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The Colt's LE 6940 has the exact same lower as the LE 6920, which is banned by brand, model # and name under the Kasler list. Same rollmarks, same everything. The only difference is the upper, which can be swapped out in seconds.
So I would recommend thinking twice about bringing that into CA without an AW permit, unless you have a big bank account and know some really good & cheap lawyers. And don't mind potentially being arrested and charged with a felony. Whether it's technically legal is open to interpretation; most on here would say yes. |
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1911 sfca brings up a very good point. With Colt rifles, whatever is the roll mark is the key to legality here in CA. There has been some instances of different roll marks applied to different Colt models. So look at the AW flow chart, back list and see the banned by name Colt models : AR (all), Match Target (all) and see what your roll mark is.
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"Bruen, the Bruen opinion, I believe, discarded the intermediate scrutiny test that I also thought was not very useful; and has, instead, replaced it with a text history and tradition test." Judge Benitez 12-12-2022 NRA Endowment Life Member, CRPA Life Member GLOCK (Gen 1-5, G42/43), Colt AR15/M16/M4, Sig P320, Sig P365, Beretta 90 series, Remington 870, HK UMP Factory Armorer Remington Nylon, 1911, HK, Ruger, Hudson H9 Armorer, just for fun! I instruct it if you shoot it. |
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"Bruen, the Bruen opinion, I believe, discarded the intermediate scrutiny test that I also thought was not very useful; and has, instead, replaced it with a text history and tradition test." Judge Benitez 12-12-2022 NRA Endowment Life Member, CRPA Life Member GLOCK (Gen 1-5, G42/43), Colt AR15/M16/M4, Sig P320, Sig P365, Beretta 90 series, Remington 870, HK UMP Factory Armorer Remington Nylon, 1911, HK, Ruger, Hudson H9 Armorer, just for fun! I instruct it if you shoot it. |
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The roll mark doesn't matter in this case. The Colt 6940 IS legal, just keep the box, or even a letter from Colt verifying it's a 6940 and you're good. Don't worry about the worrywarts man, if you've got a real 6940 you're good to go.
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installing a bullet button http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpztrlZwIc4
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One question I do have now is that since the 6940 does come with an A2 flash hider (I thought it was a muzzle break at first until someone above pointed it out), how are CA stores able to sell it, or do they recieve 6940's that dont have the flash hider? |
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There's a couple of legal ways to receive a 6940 in the state. Easiest is to have the gun split up and sent in in two packages, it's not a rifle in that state. You can also have a BB put on by a middle man FFL outside of the state as well. It's not just the flash hider that makes it evil and puppy killing. It's that damn pistol grip and collapsible stock as well!
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Never initiate force against another. That should be the underlying principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming - you or yours again. - from THE SECOND BOOK OF KYFHO (Revised Eastern Sect Edition) |
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You need to take another look at that flowchart. The "features" (i.e. flash hider, pistol grip, telestock) do not matter if you have a fixed mag, i.e. a bullet button. And the fact that you could NOT find it on the list of models is also why it is legal.
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So I just need to install a bullet button, leave the 30 round mags back in Utah, buy ten round mags for CA, and Im assuming I have to replace the A2 flash hider that it came with??? Any suggestions on what to replace the A2 flash hider with for it to be legal???? |
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I guess why I got confused about its legallity is because of the Colt AR-15 (ALL) category. I assumed this meant that ALL Colt AR-15's are banned. Since the 6940 is a Colt AR-15, I assumed it was banned. |
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Never initiate force against another. That should be the underlying principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming - you or yours again. - from THE SECOND BOOK OF KYFHO (Revised Eastern Sect Edition) |
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Cool, thanks, I get it now. But can I install a Samurai sword on the end as a bayonet? Just kidding
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The Samurai sword is good even without the maglock.
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Never initiate force against another. That should be the underlying principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming - you or yours again. - from THE SECOND BOOK OF KYFHO (Revised Eastern Sect Edition) |
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OK, let's review since some new people are in this thread.
IF YOUR GUN SAYS "COLT... 6920" ON THE LOWER, DON'T BRING IT INTO CA. (Or "Colt AR15" or "Colt Match Target" or "Colt Sporter [Target]") Put a new off-list lower on it (Stag, etc.) and leave the 6920 lower outside CA. There are a few Colt lowers that are off-list ("CAR-A3" is one of 'em) and if you are lucky you have one. [Oh - please ignore anybody here who says a gun based on Colt 6920 lower receiver should be possessed in CA.]
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No postings of mine here, unless otherwise specifically noted, are to be construed as formal or informal positions of the Calguns.Net ownership, The Calguns Foundation, Inc. ("CGF"), the NRA, or my employer. No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. Last edited by bwiese; 02-21-2011 at 3:22 PM.. |
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Now, I apologize for the very stupid question, but I dont have the gun with me right now. Im on vacation. So, "where" on the lower reciever will it say 6920 or 6940??? I "googled" images of the 6940 lower reciever and many of the pictures that turn up have some numbers (or something) blacked out/photo shopped out, directly above the magazine well, but below where it says CAL 5.56mm. Is that where I should be looking?? Also, can someone PLEASE explain to me the how ANY Colt AR-15 can be legal in CA, if that one part of the flow chart has the section where it says "Colt AR-15" "(All)"??? Doesnt that mean that ALL Colt Ar-15's are banned?? Im confused. |
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Do NOT rely on pictures on the web, as Colt has been known to occasionally use varying receivers across production in the past. EXAMINE YOUR SPECIFIC GUN to make the decision. Quote:
The June 2001 Harrott v. County of Kings decision by CA Supreme Court determined that "series" terminology for ARs and AKs was vague and overbroad, and a gun was only banned by name if and only if the specific make & model combination was formally declared & listed in regulatory code. (Exception: any gun marked "AK47" regardless of mfg should be avoided due to a footnote in this decision.) So the banned guns are "on list" and the unbanned-by-name guns are "off-list". There are arguments that can be made about clarity of subseries members, but for now you should just regard any gun marked with "Colt AR15", "Colt Match Target", "Colt Sporter", "Colt Sporter Target", and "Colt .... 6920" as banned by name guns, ones that can't be made CA legal thru use of a Bullet-Button-style maglock. In 2007, passage of AB2728 froze the list of banned guns, and neither the CA DOJ (nor local judges in certain counties that used to be able to declare guns as AWs) cannot add to the list.
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Bill Wiese San Jose, CA CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life member
No postings of mine here, unless otherwise specifically noted, are to be construed as formal or informal positions of the Calguns.Net ownership, The Calguns Foundation, Inc. ("CGF"), the NRA, or my employer. No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. |
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Welcome to California!!! In Fact... When you get back from vacation and look at what's stamped on teh receiver its actually possible that its going to say AR-15A3 Tactical Carbine. Then the discussion will start all over again...in advance, an AR-15A3 is not an AR-15 |
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Your money, your rear end.
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Bill Wiese San Jose, CA CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life member
No postings of mine here, unless otherwise specifically noted, are to be construed as formal or informal positions of the Calguns.Net ownership, The Calguns Foundation, Inc. ("CGF"), the NRA, or my employer. No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. |
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FFLs with an AW permit from CADoJ can and do sell otherwise banned weapons all the time. They sell them to law enforcement agencies and to law enforcement officers who've obtained their department's permission to purchase.
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Isn't there an actual case with regard to an HK-911 being upheld as Off-List?
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Here's one version of a Colt 6920, I've seen Colt 6940s with the same lower. It doesn't say Colt 6920 anywhere, this is like RRA in that matter. It's just another place someone looked in a catalog without knowing what they were doing when they made the list.
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Then again, my 6940 does say "Law Enforcement Only" on it. Whats that all about??? |
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Well you cant tell from the pic because the spot is whited out where it would otherwise say the model number, so it could say 6920 there.
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This is the madness that is California. |
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After learning more about the CA gun laws, I have reached the conclusion that they serve absolutely no purpose.
From what Ive learned now, it takes about 3 minutes to install a bullet button and thereafter keep your pistol grip and telescoping stock. You can legally dissassemble your high capacity magazines and leave them unassembled indefinitely. So in reality, if the legislatures goal was to prevent you from having an Assault Rifle such as an AR-15 or AK-47 in the "evil" form, they havent really accomplished it. All they have done is make it more of a pain in the butt to own one by enacting stupid hoops one must jump through in order to have a compliant firearm. So in a SHTF situation, where no one cares about gun laws (i.e., riots, Katrina type situation), you could simply reassemble your 30 round AK or AR magazine, quickly remove your bullet button, and you now have a fully functioning semi-auto AR-15, just like the one they are trying to prevent you to have. How lame! Its like they are saying "You can have all the "parts" for a fully functioning semi-auto high capacity AR/AK, but you just have to keep them seperate and not put them together". Seriously, what the hell? Who the hell came up with such nonsense thinking it would solve any problem? |
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Plus, I think "911" is a different number than "91". The Colt "AR15 LE Carbine" indicates a variant of the AR15. Whether this goes thru court or we have to litigate Son-of-Harrott is unknown. And nobody else knows either - opinions are like xxxx..... And WTF are we are even arguing about a $75 piece of metal? Go get a Stag lower.
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No postings of mine here, unless otherwise specifically noted, are to be construed as formal or informal positions of the Calguns.Net ownership, The Calguns Foundation, Inc. ("CGF"), the NRA, or my employer. No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. |
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