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C&R handgun transfer logistics
Probaby a stupid question, but I used my C&R for the first time to buy a couple of CZ-82s from JG sales (awesome store and was fun to drool at all the guns I can't own) because I was passing through the area on my way back from a family get together in Albuquerque. I bought one of them for my father who is also a C&R holder. Want to make sure I get the transfer correct to him.
Here's what I'm thinking I do: 1. Log both CZ-82s in my book. 2. Log one transfer to him immediately. 3. I send in DOJ form for mine 4. He sends DOJ for his. 5. The end Is this correct? I'm assuming he can't log the CZ-82 directly in his book because I technically had it transferred to me first, correct? |
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On the Federal side, yeah, you log both handguns into your bound book as coming from J&G. Then you log one out to your dad. He logs it into his bound book as coming from you.
On the California side, if you are the one transporting both C&R handguns into California then technically you should send in the C&R handgun report form to CalDOJ for both handguns. Then after you give one to your dad he would send in the intra-family/op-law handgun report form to CalDOJ. If you give one to your dad while you are both still outside of California then you could each send in a C&R handgun report form when you got back to California.
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Ya, the issue is the (lack of) expediency in the DOJ processing the registration.
Will the OpLaw be processed before the personal importation registration? If so, then the gun could end up re-registered to the importer. Easiest if the gun is transferred while still outside of California, that way there's only one DOJ transaction for each gun.
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Unfortunately I will be in CA when the transfer occurs. Doesn't seem like a big deal to have him send his own form, but I suppose I can just keep both guns for a little while and send the form for both guns myself and transfer it later.
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Didn't think of that.
Log them in, fill out the paperwork on one, then gift the other and log it out. Properly loggedin, and logged out as a gift, and there's no issues with "dealing". If it's already been 5 days... register both and gift it in 30 days to give them time to process the reg.
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When a C&R FFL brings a C&R handgun into California that he acquired while outside of California he has five days to register it. There is no option to instead dispose of said firearm in a legal manner or manor first.
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Alas Mssr you are correct, but this law is wrong. It is forcing you to register a handgun you may not even plan on keeping.
It should be challenged but I doubt that it will. Our C&R issues seem to go unnoticed by those who can help us. |
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I should emphasize that by doing it the way you originally said you would...
save time save money save CalDOJ some work end up with both handguns registered to the correct person end up with a less cluttered, easier to trace registration history It would be a win/win for everybody involved, including CalDOJ. But it would involve technically not following the letter of the law. And you'd always have to worry that your father would one day snitch on you by informing CalDOJ that the transfer didn't really take place outside of California. Of course CalDOJ wouldn't care because both handguns would be registered to the correct owners, but you'd always know in your heart that you didn't follow the letter of the law.
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Sounds like a good reason to take dad to Vegas for NYE.
It's a pretty sad state of affairs when it's not legal to buy a handgun outside of California and gift it to another 03FFL via Intrafamilial within 5 days of coming home without reporting it, but it IS legal to buy a handgun outside of California, bring it home, then on the morning of the 4th day, take ANY 03FFL (intrafamilial or not) for a drive across the state line and gift or sell it. Sounds like another good one for Just a simple matter of adding the "or lawfully dispose of" text to the C&R importation statutes.
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Or would even THAT mot be legal?
The way the statist part of my mind reads the law is that even if I bought a gun in Nevada, then passed through California on the way to Arizona where I sold it the same day, I would still be required to register it? Odd wording and unconstitutionally vague
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Thanks for the advice guys. I think the DOJ would care most that the guns are properly registered to the correct owner, which is the whole point.
I'll make sure that both guns get the registration handled and leave it at that. |
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