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Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
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san bernardino changes reference requirements?
I just had my interview yesterday 2-27. the interviewer still wanted my 3 letters but said, starting two weeks ago, they no longer contact the 4 people you list on the application.
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Interesting. Do the four on the application have to be different people than the three who write letters,
If so, it would seem that the only difference is that they don't send letters/questionnaires to the four on the app. Still, this is an improvement and should speed things along. Are they still doing 15-20 minute, 1:1 interviews? Someone else posted recently that they may move to group interviews, whatever that is. |
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Sounds like progress. Hopefully, it will evolve to a rubber stamp after a standard DOJ check since really, what do they learn from anyone writing a letter or those being listed on the application? Who would list someone that would be a contrary reference? And what about folks new to the community?
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the interview and the live scan, along with the waiting room times was an hour and a half total. not bad at all. and yes it is 1:1. |
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From other forums...
San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon has recently changed the issuance policy again and no longer accepts "personal protection/self-defense" as a reasonable good cause for issuance. Need to articulate something more than just a simply self-defense statement. |
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I could be wrong, but I don't believe that the threshold for approval has changed. They just want more than a few words in the good cause section. In other words, your explanation of why you feel the need to protect yourself doesn't seem to have to meet a threshold that is higher than what they used in the past. This was explained to me in a recent renewal class. They didn't critique what we wrote. They just didn't want two words "personal protection" to be the only thing written in the good cause section. If people are writing their explanation on the form and getting denied for this sole reason, that is news to me and would represent a definite change in approach. Historically, they approve virtually everyone who is not prohibited. If someone has recently been denied, I would very much like to hear about it. EDIT: Our new Sheriff was specifically asked about this very recently and emphatically stated that he strongly believes that non-prohibited residents in his county should be allowed to get an LTC and carry, and that he would be making no changes other than trying to clear up the back log and streamline the process. This is exactly the message we were given in our renewal class. New LTC's showed up in the mail shortly afterwards. Last edited by Calplinker; 03-01-2013 at 9:11 AM.. |
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This is also new, "Not to be used for employment purposes" |
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"If the CCW license is desired for self-protection, the protection of others , or for the protection of large sums of money or valuable property, you are required to explain and provide good cause for issuance of the license. For example, has you life or property been threatened or jeopardized? Explain incidents and include dates, times, location, and names of police agencies to which these incidents were reported. Details of Reason for Applicant Desiring a CCW license. Use additional pages if necessary. So, this is not the Sheriff changing his mind, it is the State of California requiring the additional information. Sheriff McMahon is 100 % behind the issuance of CCW permits. Last edited by glockcougar; 04-30-2013 at 2:58 PM.. |
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Since there have been no changes in those, the applicable consideration is PC 26150 (a)(2) "(2) Good cause exists for issuance of the license." and the issuing agencies remain free to assess 'good cause' in whatever way the CLEO feels is adequate.
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I agree!
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You are required to explain why you need the CCW over and beyond Personal Protection for SB County now but the explanation doesn't have to be extensive. As long as you have a reasonable thought process you can explain personal protection. What makes you a target? As Mtn folk says the sheriff likes the thought of an armed public, as long as you are armed legally.
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My bf has an appt on the 15th and he called them and yes they no longer need the letters, but they still want the 4 people to contact.
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I wonder if that means you can get your application after 4 months and then wait for the 8-month process.
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The whole notion is silly. I can find four people who'll swear I walk on water and feed a multitude with a few fishes and loaves!
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