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Old 09-05-2010, 12:17 PM
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Default So I shot my Mosin PU Sniper at 1000 yards yesterday at Sac Valley :)

I have some serious new respect for vintage soviet rifles now. Its not hard to take an AR-15 out to 600 yards with plinking grade ammo and put every round into a silhouette sized target. I took a Big 5 ex-sniper mosin with a reproduction scope and made reasonably accurate hits out to 1000 yards with it. To top it off, I was only using WWII surplus ammo for it. The rifle held about 2 MOA out to 500 yards, 2.5 MOA (with some definite fliers) out to 800 yards. At 900 and 1000 yards it was a definite 3.5 MOA gun with some flier rounds. I put 7 out of 13 shots into the silhouette at 1000 yards though. Three of those rounds were definite fliers. This is definitely the only gun I know of that can dial to 1000 yards with 1/2 spin of a turret and be repeatable. lol. The only really hard part was calling wind with a 3.5 power scope that has no windage calibrations inside the scope. I like to hold my wind calls instead of dialing them. This definitely made for some wide groups until I figured the gun out. The shooters around me were just as surprised as I was about the rifle's performance. I was expecting to have to pull it off the line at 500 or 600 yards because I was expecting poor performance with the ammo.

I'm thinking I might have to grab some reloading dies for 7.62x54R. I'm curious as to what this thing can do with hand loads. My camera is broken, so I could not take pics . I'll see if I can post pics of my rifle and target tonight. I'll have to mark the mosin hits on the target because I was also using my FN SPR at all distances on the same target.

For those using or looking into Mosin Sniper replicas, make sure you get the replica scopes where the reticule moves around inside the scope housing. The modernized optic replicas won't hold zero or track. The friction adjustments and coarse adjustment threading on the moving reticule models gives seemingly excellent tracking ability.
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At 900 and 1000 yards it was a definite 3.5 MOA gun
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3.5 moa at 1000= 42" group
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I this means i gotta get an authentic mosin PU sniper rather than drill & tap. heh, should be fun
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Which is VERY respectable for a 67 year old rifle shooting ~70 year old ammo with 70 year old technology. I could not hope for better in such a vintage rifle with this equipment.

This is not a modern 1 MOA tactical rifle or .5 MOA palma rifle. Its meant to be accurate to minute of nazi, and I think I proved that.
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These rifles are underestimated. I was busting clays at 330 yards with my 91/30 using irons and cheap Bulgarian light ball. Took a few rounds to get on target but once I was there it was easy to hit what I was aiming at.
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I certainly would not call them surgical, but I would agree they are underestimated. It took me three rounds to find my 1000 yard elevation since the adjustments are in hashed meter marks instead of MOA or MIL.
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Damn, mosin at 1k yds? thats some good shooting. I have yet to see some respectable groups from that rifle (including my own) definitely pick up some dies for that thing and shoot even tighter groups.
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Nice! Too bad the camera's broken.
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91/30's with good barrels have been shown to perform at that range before, i wouldn't try it with my worn out 91/30 at least not until i get it counter bored and a scope on it

here is a guy that has been doing it with his PU

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**** thats a good idea to bring out a video camera for long range..

but impressive with the tools you have none the less.
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3.5 moa at 1000= 42" group
That's still all shots in the black on a 44" NRA 1000yd bullseye!
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This is not a modern 1 MOA tactical rifle or .5 MOA palma rifle. Its meant to be accurate to minute of nazi, and I think I proved that.
You need to grow a full beard and move out into the woods before you can be a full fledged member of the surplus rifle long range shooting community.
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Damn, mosin at 1k yds? thats some good shooting. I have yet to see some respectable groups from that rifle (including my own) definitely pick up some dies for that thing and shoot even tighter groups.
If youre going to do that slug the barrel first, from what I understand some are .303 some .308. some .311 and some even larger
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lol. Really? I was not aware there was such a thing. I prefer my modern rifles, this was originally intended as a cheap plinker. Looks like that has changed. lol.
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I refuse to grow a full beard! (REALLY nice shooting BTW)
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Somebody call me?

Clark, next time remember to police all your brass, LOL.

It was funny as heck today when someone would find a piece of your brass, hold it up and ask me what the hell it was from.

I told them it was special Russian Sniper Match ammo!

Some of the old milsurps may not be as accurate as a modern rifle, but they sure are fun to shoot at 1000 yards.
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Over 400 yards I'm calling the 105's. LOL

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lol. I guess I missed a few pieces
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thats why the 7.62x54r deserves alot more respect than it gets! Its been around for over 100 years and still in use, thats gotta mean something.

I will always love it! If a 70 year old rifle is makin it out to 1000 yards with those groups, then the amazing and modern ar should be hittin bullseyes at the range. thats a rifle that costs 100 bucks vs a rifle that costs 700- 1500, pretty impressive and good shooting
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Very cool. I saw you checking out the gun on my way out. Would have been cool to watch you shoot but you must have been in relay two.
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If youre going to do that slug the barrel first, from what I understand some are .303 some .308. some .311 and some even larger

.303 sounds a tad undersized. Is it possible you're confusing someone's saying that .303 British and 54R can share bullets?

At least per the reference I'm looking at, the .303 British has a .3125 nominal bullet diameter. It gives the 54R nominal diameter as .3105.
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Your right, .303 british , note to self read what you type. Confused by the title of the article, using oversized bullets to get better accuracy
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Which is VERY respectable for a 67 year old rifle shooting ~70 year old ammo with 70 year old technology. I could not hope for better in such a vintage rifle with this equipment.

This is not a modern 1 MOA tactical rifle or .5 MOA palma rifle. Its meant to be accurate to minute of nazi, and I think I proved that.
I agree.

Great shooting BTW.
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Great shooting, even better because its not 70 year old tech (maybe the rifle is), its 110 year old tech!
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