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Old 10-15-2014, 8:25 PM
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Keeps coming up.... Why the need to call or email this place or that place and ask if you can carry concealed ??

I swear people need to publicize and be the "guy" with the gun permit. So maybe you can identify yourself and show your permit to the store manager when you check in and get your cotton candy.

Conceal your gun, keep your mouth shut and keep a low profile.
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Conceal your gun, keep your mouth shut and keep a low profile.
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Keeps coming up.... Why the need to call or email this place or that place and ask if you can carry concealed ??

I swear people need to publicize and be the "guy" with the gun permit. So maybe you can identify yourself and show your permit to the store manager when you check in and get your cotton candy.

Conceal your gun, keep your mouth shut and keep a low profile.
Given the intelligence, the need for common sense, and the rational/logical thought processes of a CCW holder, I would like to continue my misguided belief that the general population within CCW community are not that blatantly idiotic. However, given that fact that there are some people who crave attention and the spotlight, one should ask the question if these stupid fools should even be CCW holders.

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How could there be so many stupid people. Maybe they don't understand what concealed means.

They can join the ranks of the guy that lost his CCW for showing people at work, Chuck E Chesse and the Regan Library.
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I get it, but I'm going to take a different course. If your going to a large public event/amusement park whatever and you have a question about if you can the simple answer is don't carry. I'd rather not have a gun than to have to leave it in the car, even if I can secure it. That's me if you feel comfortable leaving it in locked in your car, by all means do so.
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If your going to a large public event/amusement park whatever and you have a question about if you can the simple answer is don't carry. I'd rather not have a gun than to have to leave it in the car, even if I can secure it.
A large gathering of people is one of the last places I'd want to go unarmed.

I understand most people's concerns about being able to carry or not, because I believe most people would like to avoid the awkward scene of being outed and turned away/ejected from a venue. Unless the place is on the list of legally prohibited carry locations, or they are actively searching for weapons with metal detectors, then these awkward scenes will only happen if YOU make them happen. So, keep the trap shut and carry on.

That being said, to prevent a lot of these "can I carry at.." threads, perhaps someone should create a "Do they have metal detectors at..." thread and sticky it. The only places I won't carry are where it's legally prohibited, or actively denied by security checkpoints. A list of places with checkpoints would be entirely relevant and appreciated.
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...perhaps someone should create a "Do they have metal detectors at..." thread and sticky it. The only places I won't carry are where it's legally prohibited, or actively denied by security checkpoints. A list of places with checkpoints would be entirely relevant and appreciated.
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That being said, to prevent a lot of these "can I carry at.." threads, perhaps someone should create a "Do they have metal detectors at..." thread and sticky it. The only places I won't carry are where it's legally prohibited, or actively denied by security checkpoints. A list of places with checkpoints would be entirely relevant and appreciated.
That is a good idea!
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We seem to be in a transition phase.

Some venues have variable conditions of search/metal detectors, so on one day, or at one event, there might be serious efforts to find things, while at another time less effort or almost none.

So we're a bit ahead of the curve in trying to list places.

A few are already in place - NFL stadiums. Some are coming, we know: MLB stadiums (or stadia, but hardly anyone uses the greek plural any more). SF Giants said they were going to install the walk-throughs, or use wands this season, but they're kind of not serious yet.
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We seem to be in a transition phase.

Some venues have variable conditions of search/metal detectors, so on one day, or at one event, there might be serious efforts to find things, while at another time less effort or almost none.

So we're a bit ahead of the curve in trying to list places.

A few are already in place - NFL stadiums. Some are coming, we know: MLB stadiums (or stadia, but hardly anyone uses the greek plural any more). SF Giants said they were going to install the walk-throughs, or use wands this season, but they're kind of not serious yet.
I have to imagine the event and the following it attracts has a lot to do with it too. Venue "X" may not check concert goers for a Christian concern or when the Muppets are in town, but will likely wand and have standing metal detectors for hard rock concerts.

Keep in mind that some venues may consider calls about weapons policies a pre-indicdent indicator of a possible threat. As such, it could cause them to change their procedure and increase security.

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Some people should stay away from owning guns lest conceal them. An idiot with good intentions is as dangerous as a genius with bad ones.
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I too believe that calling places to see if they allow CCW is hurtful to the cause. Perhaps the place never really thought about it. Never bothered to post signs or have any type of rules regarding firearms on their private premises. However, now that you've got people calling in and asking, they may wonder, "Oh there are people asking if they can carry guns here, best we put up official signs and metal detectors to make sure they don't!"
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Tis better to beg forgiveness than ask permission.

Besides, if you have a CCW/LTC, then you don't need to ask.
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However, now that you've got people calling in and asking, they may wonder, "Oh there are people asking if they can carry guns here, best we put up official signs and metal detectors to make sure they don't!"
I don't see many people wanting to incur the expense of metal detectors, and signs are pretty much meaningless, but I would agree with your point that too many people hear 'gun' and instantly feel uncomfortable. Out of sight, out of mind would probably be the better course of action here. Like the guy above me said, we don't have to ask. You have permission until you ask to not have permission.
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Keeps coming up.... Why the need to call or email this place or that place and ask if you can carry concealed ??

I swear people need to publicize and be the "guy" with the gun permit. So maybe you can identify yourself and show your permit to the store manager when you check in and get your cotton candy.

Conceal your gun, keep your mouth shut and keep a low profile.
These people are likely the same idiots who say they are going to Starbucks and chipotle after getting their permits....
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These people are likely the same idiots who say they are going to Starbucks and chipotle after getting their permits....
If people keep asking businesses about their "gun policies," most businesses will end up following Starbucks and Chipotle's lead. Don't force the issue. If it's not illegal, and if you keep your concealed carry concealed, it won't be an issue. Unless of course you really need to use it, in which case you won't care about a business's "policy." And if you save lives, they won't care about their "policy" either. They, like everyone else, will just be glad you were there.
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That being said, to prevent a lot of these "can I carry at.." threads, perhaps someone should create a "Do they have metal detectors at..." thread and sticky it. The only places I won't carry are where it's legally prohibited, or actively denied by security checkpoints. A list of places with checkpoints would be entirely relevant and appreciated.
^^ THIS should be the only question. Knowing which places always have detectors, sometimes have them and never has them let's people decide what they prefer to do.
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Keeps coming up.... Why the need to call or email this place or that place and ask if you can carry concealed ??

I swear people need to publicize and be the "guy" with the gun permit. So maybe you can identify yourself and show your permit to the store manager when you check in and get your cotton candy.

Conceal your gun, keep your mouth shut and keep a low profile.
Yep, exactly, it's senseless calling or emailing, you're just drawing attention to yourself and they will ALWAYS say no in California. Instead, you need to do your due diligence silently and if there's no metal detectors and it's not prohibited by law, then carry on.
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The only place I have ever called to ask is at a shooting range. I'm assuming they are ok with a gun question..........
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The only place I have ever called to ask is at a shooting range. I'm assuming they are ok with a gun question..........
Funny. I went to an indoor shooting range Monday not necessarily known for their friendliness and I asked the guy behind the counter what their policy was for someone walking through the door with a CCW. "Do I carry like I always do, loaded? Or do you prefer magazines out...unloaded? Do I put it in a shoe box and place it on the counter? Do I roll my gun safe in here?"

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"It's your house, you tell me what your policy is."

"I guess like everyone else, in a case."

"No prob." Those 18 year old guys are carrying inside the store and I don't want them assuming the position while I decide what target to buy if they happen to see my "bulge."
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to prevent a lot of these "can I carry at.." threads, perhaps someone should create a "Do they have metal detectors at..." thread and sticky it. A list of places with checkpoints would be entirely relevant and appreciated.
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Funny thing. I donated platelets at the Red Cross yesterday and notices the No Concealed Weapons sign on my way out. This of course after sitting for 2 hours doing a donation with my Sig on my hip. They can't stop what they do not see.
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I admit, I made the mistake of asking in advance once.

It prompted me to purchase a lockbox for the car, so I don't consider it a loss
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Keeps coming up.... Why the need to call or email this place or that place and ask if you can carry concealed ??

I swear people need to publicize and be the "guy" with the gun permit. So maybe you can identify yourself and show your permit to the store manager when you check in and get your cotton candy.

Conceal your gun, keep your mouth shut and keep a low profile.
Nice post. It needed to be said.
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Not only will I not ask, I'll keep my head down when entering the establishment as to avoid eye contact with any signs prohibiting firearms.

There was something about asking for forgiveness being better than permission.
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I always poke my head in the door, ask if its cool if I have a gun....you guys are doing it wrong.
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A large gathering of people is one of the last places I'd want to go unarmed.

I understand most people's concerns about being able to carry or not, because I believe most people would like to avoid the awkward scene of being outed and turned away/ejected from a venue. Unless the place is on the list of legally prohibited carry locations, or they are actively searching for weapons with metal detectors, then these awkward scenes will only happen if YOU make them happen. So, keep the trap shut and carry on.

That being said, to prevent a lot of these "can I carry at.." threads, perhaps someone should create a "Do they have metal detectors at..." thread and sticky it. The only places I won't carry are where it's legally prohibited, or actively denied by security checkpoints. A list of places with checkpoints would be entirely relevant and appreciated.
Heck, even most places with metal detectors just usher you through so that the line doesn't back up. Security at most venues is just for show and is a joke (not the officers, the procedures).

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Heck, even most places with metal detectors just usher you through so that the line doesn't back up. Security at most venues is just for show and is a joke (not the officers, the procedures).

Stay safe.
Haha, so true....tucked my piece right under my belt buckle, was asked, "you wearing a belt?" I reply, " yup" and pull my shirt up to show my belt buckle. "Thank you, enjoy your night."
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Haha, so true....tucked my piece right under my belt buckle, was asked, "you wearing a belt?" I reply, " yup" and pull my shirt up to show my belt buckle. "Thank you, enjoy your night."
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IF there is no sign stating "No CCW Allowed," then it is legal.
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IF there is no sign stating "No CCW Allowed," then it is legal.
Not true. "No gun" signs have no force of effect on CCW holders. You can legally carry in businesses with no gun signs. The only thing they can do is ask you to leave if they discover you are carrying.

The exception is federal buildings, and all of the other prohibited places.
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Not true. "No gun" signs have no force of effect on CCW holders. You can legally carry in businesses with no gun signs. The only thing they can do is ask you to leave if they discover you are carrying.

The exception is federal buildings, and all of the other prohibited places.
This!! +1million.

It's only enforceable by law in some places. Federal buildings are an example (and the post office is federal).

Also gun shows are explicitly called out by law.


MODS: Perhaps a sticky that says something to the extent of 'Where CCW is illegal in CA' would be appropriate for this forum?
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ETA: Crap we already have one. Oops! http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=338205
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Keeps coming up.... Why the need to call or email this place or that place and ask if you can carry concealed ??

I swear people need to publicize and be the "guy" with the gun permit. So maybe you can identify yourself and show your permit to the store manager when you check in and get your cotton candy.

Conceal your gun, keep your mouth shut and keep a low profile.

What this guy said...
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