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Old 09-14-2018, 6:58 PM
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https://www.france24.com/en/20180914...oaching-crisis

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/a...ants-poaching/

http://www.petersenshunting.com/poac...ng-cases-ever/

https://www.care2.com/causes/hunters...king-cubs.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b97bf847757a


I keep hearing that hunting them is to protect them, and the fees to kill keep them safe. I am starting to see no difference between the trophy/professional hunter with money or the poachers trying to make money. More and more it becomes obvious is only for greed or ED since non seem to be hitting a plate to feed the "children" or for being to many of them. Also, don't get me wrong, I was upset at first when saw some hogs being killed en masse, but then researched it, and saw the destruction and mayhem they create.

Why do you need to hunt, other then to put food on the plate and honestly unless this is a SHTF situation, it seems hard to justify or for culling. Why some of the hunters go out of their way to prove they stand by their words and go out there and "hunt" the evil doers.
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What a moron! What do poachers have to do with hunting. If it were for the “evil” hunters in Africa there would be a lot more poaching. Take your idiotic comments else where.
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Old 09-14-2018, 7:49 PM
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OP, here's something to consider:

When a game animal is poached in Africa, most of it ends up wasted because the poacher can't take an entire animal home without raising suspicion.

When a trophy hunter kills a game animal in Africa, the meat is either sold, used by the farmer or the PH, or given away to the locals. According to an American wildlife biologist who now lives in Africa, there's less game wastes in Africa than in the US.

Trophy hunting has changed the way grazing land is managed in Southern Africa. Farmers are replacing cattle with game species that are better adapted to the land and convert feed to meat more efficiently.

I've eaten springbok (my wife's favorite), kudu, wildebeest liver (incredible if prepared correctly), eland and blesbok. If I could get African game here, I'd be eating it all the time.
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"It fetches up to $60,000 per kilo (23,000 euros a pound) on the black market."
But.... just.... WHY?
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I'm just disappointed that all these poacher hunting teams I see either only hire locals of that region, or former Mil.
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OP---if you can't take the time to look up the definition of "Hunter" and the definition of "Poacher". Have the goodness of logic to see the difference between the two, then its hopeless to try to school you on the subject.
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I wish the OT folk would stay out of the hunting forum. If only I could hunt trolls my ban hammer would be firing. Can I be a hunting and fishing mod?

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I wish the OT folk would stay out of the hunting forum. If only I could hunt trolls my ban hammer would be firing. Can I be a hunting and fishing mod?
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Nice! I get a kick out of adding people to my ignore list. TGIF everyone

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If I go into the religion sub forum and post how I think this whole “God” thing is getting out of hand and post a bunch of links to Catholic molestations and Muslim suicide bombing, I’d get banned...

Yet someone can come in here and say that hunters are no better than poachers. I love when rules are excepted (sarcasm on two fronts).
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The OP has shown he/she/it is an uneducated(on conservation/hunting and plain common sense), tree hugger libtard and must be a democrap. If he/she/it understood one thing about Africa, in particular, they would not post such nonsense. A complete idiot about conservation and hunting.

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many evik peiple put there and unfortunately they do not rest and it is expensive and time consuming to track them....
Barring some rare tibe who might humt an elephant for religious purpose NO ONE should be hunting them...
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Poaching is not hunting.
Poachers are not hunters.
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Poaching is "NOT" hunting and hunters "ARE" not poachers. Quit trying to lump US in with them, it's disgusting to do that. Go some where else to get your rocks off. I've hunted for over 60 years and this sort of puke wont make me feel guilty in the slightest. I'm proud of my hunting heritage. Moderators.....why is this sort of crap allowed in this forum?

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Old 09-15-2018, 5:19 AM
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many evik peiple put there and unfortunately they do not rest and it is expensive and time consuming to track them....
Barring some rare tibe who might humt an elephant for religious purpose NO ONE should be hunting them...
Really? Elephant?
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Here's my analogy that anybody on calguns can understand.

Hunters = law abiding gun owners
Poachers = school shooters

See how big the difference is?

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Why do you need to hunt, other then to put food on the plate and honestly unless this is a SHTF situation, it seems hard to justify or for culling. Why some of the hunters go out of their way to prove they stand by their words and go out there and "hunt" the evil doers.
Yea, interesting idea, what the coyote, ground squirrel, mountain lion , crow hunters think about it? What says you?
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resusm is a troll or just an idiot.
Countries that have stopped hunting elephants have had them wiped out or close to it. One country(Botswana) had had such a problem even the antis in the gov are now considering opening hunting again so the animals can be SAVED from being wiped out.
It is not just poaching for the tusks that is a problem. The animals destroy the locals crops/homes and such so they kill them by any means including poison. They have done the same to lions when hunting is stopped. That is just a fact of life and how things are done there. To be honest they same thing happens here and everywhere but is kept quiet.


PAY ATTENTION---In Africa there is a very TRUE saying "If it pays it stays" Let me repeat that for you slow people "If it pays it stays".


The only reason elephants/lions and some other animals are TOLERATED by the locals is that they provide more money to them thru hunting than they destroy and they also get a large amount of badly needed protein when one is killed. Plus hunters usually bring stuff for the local schools and kids and adults when they arrive. They also employ locals as trackers and helpers. They buy local items to bring back home with them and part of the money the hunter pays to kill the animal goes directly to the locals. One elephant goes a long way to keeping a small village going for an entire year.


So again try to understand "If it pays it stays" if not it will be gone. The most game rich areas of Africa are where there is hunting. The most game poor (and poor village living) is where there is no or very little hunting.

Tree huggers and anti-hunters can say what they want but these are the facts. This includes you remusrm.
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resusm is a troll or just an idiot.
It's not exactly within the confines of 'remain civil' however it probably is within the confines of 'accurate'...

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He will see it when signed off and cookies cleared. He wont be able to respond.

You should make me the moderator. It will be the coom bye ya forum.



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To the OP and probably Cal.Bar.

If you want to see a mistake, look no further than the American Buffalo. We slaughtered them due to no regulations. It wasn’t poaching but the effect of no control or proper scientific game management wiped out a species.

Poaching is year around and harmful. A cattle rancher selects certain animals to be taken for slaughter for profit but saves what will keep his herd alive and healthy for the future.

In Africa they are using the same ideology for game species. A wild game POACHER is no different to someone sneaking into a cattle ranch, shooting a bull and cutting off his balls because they’re worth a million dollars to someone in another country to eat because the doctor says it will cure his impotence. Seriously.
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taperxz, I'm not trying to start chit with you but the American Buffalo was shot to near extinction to control the plains Indians. No food= your dead. The passenger pigeon would have been a good example of unregulated or uncontrolled market hunting. Have a great day.
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Elk Hunter---You are correct. The gov wanted the buff numbers down so they could control the Indians and have them on reservations which were under gov control. Kind of the forefather of todays democrap libtards whating to control everything we do thus needing us un-armed and dependent on the gov for everything(food, housing, med and such).


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taperxz, I'm not trying to start chit with you but the American Buffalo was shot to near extinction to control the plains Indians. No food= your dead. The passenger pigeon would have been a good example of unregulated or uncontrolled market hunting. Have a great day.
For whatever nefarious reason. Poachers in Africa do it for money and power in their local regions. They get the money and the locals starve.
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taperxz--That is correct. Poachers are NOT hunters and do no good for the animals, the people or anyone else besides themselves and they black market people above them. The poacher actually get very little of what they sell which is not the meat of the animal.
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taperxz--That is correct. Poachers are NOT hunters and do no good for the animals, the people or anyone else besides themselves and they black market people above them. The poacher actually get very little of what they sell which is not the meat of the animal.
BTW, I hunted and killed a decent 3x4 buck Friday. .
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And I volunteered to go with you. If I were there it could have been a big 4X4...…………………...or nothing

Glad you connected. I still have not gone.
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BTW, I hunted and killed a decent 3x4 buck Friday. .
Ehhh Ive seen many people get an 3x4. All you have to do is break an axle shaft. Id be happy with shooting a forkie.
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All poachers are hunters. But not all hunters are poachers. Sort of like how all Tacomas are Toyotas but not all Toyotas are Tacomas. Poachers are just people who hunt illegally.

A poacher that poaches to feed his family should get a pass in my mind. If a European wants to bowhunt, he'll be condemned by the law, which I don't agree with. He'd be a poacher but an ethical one in my book (not that it's worth much). Legal doesn't always define ethical -- either for the person or the game they pursue.

Any hunter that hunts with a callous attitude and with a lack of respect for wildlife is a scoundrel in my book, legal or not.
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BTW, I hunted and killed a decent 3x4 buck Friday. .
Congrats! Post pics if you can so we can all celebrate.
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