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Old 05-16-2017, 9:22 AM
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I think gold will always have value compared to other commodities but in a very different ratio than today. Ex: 1 oz gold =$1200 and 1 gal fuel =$3.00 So 1 oz gold : 400 gal fuel

it might be more like 1oz gold : 25 gal fuel

As to what the value will be? Your GUESS is as good as mine
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Old 05-16-2017, 12:19 PM
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Old 05-16-2017, 12:25 PM
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He was fixating on "soup" instead of the general idea that in a true "society is upended" deal that the real "currency" will be things that keep you alive and comfort/vice items and maybe skill sets (like if you're a dentist/doctor/ets)

At some point it will be good to have.. but it really only has a perceived value and has zero practical uses..

I picture him trying to shave off a quarter of a gram of gold and trying to get someone to take it for a gallon of gas.. if gold is $1200 and ounce then how much do you trade for a gallon of gas? for a pound of beans or most other small items. Good luck with that.

Storing gold in large bars is silly.. who is going to trust that in a SHTF deal.. so you would have to have small recognizable amounts that are small enough to be useful but something that would inspire trust since that will be in short supply.
The thing about helpful postings on forums is to read the premise...sit back and think about the question asked, and then if you have a constructive answer, provide it.

You just jumped in with your version of SHTF and gave your sense of preparedness and how you would deal with a generalized situation.

You didn't consider the parameters of the given situation, and as per your quoted dribblings above, still haven't.

Your conclusions have no merit because what you've pictured isn't the reality of the premise.

Storing large gold bars won't work for many reasons
Small gram weights are not financially smart purchases
Using precious metal where required by the seller requires verifiable parameters...

Hence the pretext of the discussion...that all too obviously went over your head
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Old 05-16-2017, 12:30 PM
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Storing large gold bars won't work for many reasons
Small gram weights are not financially smart purchases
Using precious metal where required by the seller requires verifiable parameters...
You pretty much just answered your own question right there.
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Old 05-16-2017, 12:45 PM
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Sounds like you need a Combibar or three.

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Old 05-16-2017, 4:48 PM
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SHTF is not the same thing as TEOTWAWKI. Or for you math geeks, TEOTWAWKI is a smaller subset of the larger set SHTF.

Gold and silver will still have value in many SHTF scenarios. But I agree that not so much in a true TEOTWAWKI situation.

SHTF includes: Venezuela-like economic meltdown, getting the hell out of Europe if you were a Jew in 1937, Hurricane Katrina, the Big One (no food and water for a few weeks), bad but not a slate-wiping pandemic, fleeing Mainland China when the Communists took over (grandparents and parents went through that one -- with gold socked away on their persons), and escaping Vietnam, Iran, Syria, or [FILL IN THE BLANK] when the government falls and a new crazy government takes over.

TEOTWAWKI includes: nuclear war, pandemic, zombies, asteroid strike, etc.

Lots of SHTF scenarios have occurred in recent history. TEOTWAWKI, well, I can't really think back to one that was worldwide since the last Ice Age or even nationwide for the U.S. ever. Not saying it won't happen. But there's a reason why I don't buy buy double indemnity lightning strike life insurance (even though I can't rule out the possibility).

I would rather plan for the higher probability situations that I might see in my lifetime (and that my parents saw in their lifetime).

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Old 05-16-2017, 5:23 PM
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Gold bars? That's the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever heard. If society breaks down just slightly and hold is worth anything, so is paper money, plus paper is a lot better than lugging around 20lbs of metal. If we ever got to that point personally, I'll do business in the form of grant deeds. If I have something you need it's going to cost you land.

But in a real shtf, food, bullets and drugs are the only real currency.
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Old 05-16-2017, 6:11 PM
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Gold bars? That's the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever heard. If society breaks down just slightly and hold is worth anything, so is paper money, plus paper is a lot better than lugging around 20lbs of metal. If we ever got to that point personally, I'll do business in the form of grant deeds. If I have something you need it's going to cost you land.
I respectfully disagree with you.

1. I've got some non-collectible pre-war Reichsmarks, Zimbabewean dollars, and Yugoslavian dinars -- all in paper bills -- that I will happily trade with you for their pre-collapse value in gold bullion.

2. In addition, 20lbs of gold = $425K today. So in $50 bills, that's about 18 lbs of bills. The gold would be a lot less bulky and easier to hide. Less prone to damage, too. I guess this is, in Blackjack terms, a "push."

3. Grant deeds requires a couple things: (a) a government that respects private property and (b) you to stay when conditions go to hell. There are a lot of Jewish-Americans, Chinese-Americans, Cuban-Americans, Vietnamese-Americans, white Zimbabwean Americans, etc. whose property was nationalized when the Nazis or the Commies took over their former homelands. The ones who diversified (i.e., had property overseas or precious metals) were better off than those whose wealth was entirely tied up in property. In some cases, the ones who stuck around because all they had was land and real property, well, they were killed for it.
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Gold will be king, I've lived through regime changes when the communist taken over Saigon. There will not be a total social collapse (unless zombie or a huge meteor strike), some form of government will always be there. Food will be distributed but severely rationed (my famiy allowance was 20lbs of rice, 6lbs of meat and 1/3 gallon of oil, no gasoline), black market thrived with people battering Fabric, formula milk, medicine, gasoline for gold and money.
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Old 05-17-2017, 10:54 PM
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Ok, I like shiny metal as much as the next guy. But I am not overly familiar with gold. If you were offering to trade gold for my valuable goods, I would be much more comfortable accepting one of those eagle coins or the little chips with the fancy letters and all the zeros - moreso than a pile of shavings or a random earring.

A "piece of eight" was a Spanish dollar, worth 8 crowns. It could be cut into 8 pie pieces, each one worth a crown. (This is why our quarter is referred to as 2 bits). This seems like a reasonable method for assigning value - If you say your 1 ounce eagle is worth $1200, that means your "bit" is worth $150.

All that said, If you showed up starving and asked me how much gold for my smoked ham, I'd likely reply, "well how much you got?"

Even if you weren't starving, no way I wouldn't be looking for a darn good trade - what the heck do I want with gold if things have really gone south? I'd only pick it up as a gamble (investment?) that it might be worth something in the future. But in a zombie asteroid scenario - probably pass. Got any cigars or scotch? Are you a dentist?

Really, when the day comes that our dollar loses its value, our economy collapses, we'd be in such a world of hurt that I can't imagine gold being terribly viable, let alone junk silver. Maybe once things got settled, but in a crisis where resources are scarce, I just don't see it. (Not that I won't hedge my bets.)

Just some thoughts. Trying to consider the premise and contribute to the thread, from the perspective of a guy who might be receiving gold in a trade.
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Old 06-02-2017, 12:12 AM
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If I were going to sell something for gold, it would have to be a whole, recognizable coin not a clipping of a coin or bar. I would be worried that it was fake or unsure of purity or assume others wouldn't accept it from me in the future for similar reasons. A whole coin would address those issues for me. So 1oz and 1/10oz American Eagles, I guess.

Like several posters eluded to earlier, I'm just not sure of the value of precious metal in SHTF.
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Old 06-02-2017, 5:03 PM
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SHTF...paper money isn't any good

You need to barter or buy something...might be anything...maybe a battery took a dump and you need one.

You have precious metals to buy with...and have set aside a quantity as spending capital. You also have staples like coffee, salt, sugar, tobacco to trade with.

The guy that has your battery doesn't want to trade the battery for staples...he wants gold.

Obviously no one cares about numismatic value so your spending capital is in plain jane gold bullion...

In what denomination do you keep your spending capital? Small 1 gram? Or larger weights?
You want the smallest usable size. Negotiate up. If you whip out a bar of gold, the price would be a bar. How would you negotiate down from a bar, you're going to chisel it in half?
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One thing for certain. Paper money wont have any worth in shtf scenes.
Oh yeah?
Try wiping your butt with a gold coin
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OP imho, gold is too expensive for trading unless for major goods like a car or house. For myself, I think silver rounds would be the way to go.
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Old 06-02-2017, 10:02 PM
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i dont need gold or fractions, i'm the one that has the battery.
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Old 06-03-2017, 8:50 AM
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I take a nap, and wake up to you guys swapping water into soup cans. Horrible
But, water may have more value than gold if SHTF.

Also, the question as posed was pretty stupid.

Here's what happened with gold in Argentina during their economic SHTF



http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2015/06/w...oldsilver.html
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In my opinion, a SHTF scenario isn't going to be a binary event - it will progress linearly over time. During the time that things are hitting the fan, people's faith and trust in certain currencies and investments will fall apart, and that's when precious metals will peak in value. From there on, if things really fall apart, people here are right that the real value will be in usable goods (booze, food, drugs, medical supplies, fuel, ammo, guns, shelter, etc.).

It's the people who see things coming and convert their metals to usable goods who will be in good shape.

I would say that a test case for this was the financial crisis a decade ago (can you believe it's already been a decade? Time flies...). There was panic all over the place, and people ditched traditional stores of wealth for metals. The smart ones then moved back into the traditional stores of wealth when things bottomed out. Not an exact analogy, but I think it's relevant.
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Gold would have value if the dollar took a dump and there were some type of government put a value on it, like a full-blown depression. I'm sure everyone has their own idea of what a SHTH scenario is, but mine doesn't include bank, functional government, or a spare room full of buckets of worthless gold. If I can't eat it, drink it, or shoot it, it's not worth anything to me.

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Gold, silver, diamonds, etc. are just fine if you can get to an area where things are normal & precious metals are still precious. Although if that's the case, your credit cards will probably also work. Visa is a global operation.
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