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Old 08-20-2011, 7:44 PM
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How can I obtain pre-ban magazines for an AR-15 and a Ruger 10/22 legally?
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get a time machine and go back to anytime before 01/01/2000.....then they won't be "pre-ban" anymore.

otherwise you're stuck with the number of hi-cap mags you had as of that date. technically you can buy them, though no one is allowed to sell them to you, and if you found them you wouldn't be breaking any laws by keeping them. but other than that you're pretty much SOL in the "legally" aspect.
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So if I live in Cali, I can have a 30 rd mag as long as the mag was made before that date, and use it at the range? Or just have them in a shoebox?
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So if I live in Cali, I can have a 30 rd mag as long as the mag was made before that date, and use it at the range? Or just have them in a shoebox?
No... you needed to have it before the date. It isn't just a matter of having magazines manufactured prior to the ban, you need to have had them in CA prior to the ban.

And you can't use them in a firearm with a fixed magazine.
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manufacture date has nothing to do with it....i have mags that are all made about a year ago. but they were rebuild kits in which i replaced all the parts from a pre-ban mag in two or more rebuilds. You can use +10 round mags in guns that don't have any evil features (aka "featurelesss), but you can't use them on guns that are featureless and have a fixed magazine or mag-lock device (like a bullet button). If your AR has an evil features, you have to have a mag-lock device....so no hi-cap magazines allowed. If your gun doesn't have any evil features then you don't need a mag-lock....so hi-caps are ok.

possession of hi-caps IS NOT A CRIME!!! But don't be surprised if you get hasseled for having and using them....some people still don't know the law.
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I'm cunfused irishpirate. I have an AR-15 with a bullet button. Am I aloud to have a preban hi cap mag in my rifle or not? What about a regular ruger 10/22?
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wow this thread is full of bad ideas

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=387409

You can posses hi caps but you can not: manufacture or causes
to be manufacture, import into the state, keep for sale, or
offer or expose for sale, or give, or lend.

So pretty much you had to already have one or you need to find one..

You can never use a hi cap with a bullet button rifle max is 10 rounds by definition of a fixed magazine rifle
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

If you buy a rebuild kit but didn't posses any preban magazines prior to the ban to rebuild them into the best you can do is permanatly make them into 10rd mags.

EMT John, you are pretty much not going to legally get a hicap for either of your rifles. So get used to 10 rds.

BTW preban possession must be already in California, even if you owned it in a different state prior to the ban if you move here and try to bring it in that's "importing into the state" that also applies if you try to buy a magazine it wont count if it is preban or not its still importing

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I'm cunfused irishpirate. I have an AR-15 with a bullet button. Am I aloud to have a preban hi cap mag in my rifle or not?
A semi-auto centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine capable of holding more than ten rounds is an "assault weapon" in California. Check out the flowchart linked at the top of the page.


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What about a regular ruger 10/22?
You can use any magazine you legally own in a Ruger 10/22. They are rimfire rifles. They also don't use fixed magazines, but that doesn't matter because they are already exempt because they are rimfire rifles.
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A semi-auto centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine capable of holding more than ten rounds is an "assault weapon" in California. Check out the flowchart linked at the top of the page.




You can use any magazine you legally own in a Ruger 10/22. They are rimfire rifles. They also don't use fixed magazines, but that doesn't matter because they are already exempt because they are rimfire rifles.

10 rounds for rimfire too.
The magazine law is independent of the AWB
Yes you dont need a BB on a rimfire but 10 is still the max (unless you have prebans which it doesnt seem the OP does...)

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I understand the flow chart. I'm just trying to find a way to own a preban mag for my AR-15 with a bullet button. Also for the ruger. Since I don't have any preban mags and no time machine to get them I'm looking for a way to obtain some.
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See the sticky -- http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=387409
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I understand the flow chart. I'm just trying to find a way to own a preban mag for my AR-15 with a bullet button. Also for the ruger. Since I don't have any preban mags and no time machine to get them I'm looking for a way to obtain some.
You CANNOT do that legally, unless you are LEO.

You MAY NOT use a 10+ mag with a bullet-button equipped AR type - that manufactures an 'assault weapon'; avoiding the condition of 'California banned semi-automatic rifle' is the whole point of having a magazine locking device.

And the description 'pre ban' never had any meaning in California, and no longer has a meaning in the U. S.
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I understand the flow chart. I'm just trying to find a way to own a preban mag for my AR-15 with a bullet button. Also for the ruger. Since I don't have any preban mags and no time machine to get them I'm looking for a way to obtain some.
No no you really don't.... no hicaps in a non detachable magazine rifle.
Change your rifle over to featureless if you want to use hicaps

You need to understand there really isn't a way for you to obtain the magazines!
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...Yes you dont need a BB on a rimfire but 10 is still the max (unless you have prebans which it doesnt seem the OP does...)
So you agree with what I said.
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Ok how about a ruger 10/22?
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Ok how about a ruger 10/22?
They are awesome guns. What do you want to know about them?
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I can't remember what state it is I want to say its New Jersey you can buy a "preban" and use it there. But California is not like that, it doesnt matter if the magazine is old or not. It matters if you owned it in Cali prior to the ban or not



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So you agree with what I said.
Yea I reread what you said. I thought you where saying that rimfires where exempt from the magazine law as well. Sorry
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I understand the flow chart. I'm just trying to find a way to own a preban mag for my AR-15 with a bullet button.
Even if you legally owned a 30 round AR mag, you still could not use it in your bullet buttoned AR!

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You can't, sorry, thats the breaks. Your options are become a LEO, hope you find some laying on the street, or do it illegally.
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What I want to know about the ruger 10/22 is... How can I put a high cap mag in it?
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What I want to know about the ruger 10/22 is... How can I put a high cap mag in it?
They go in the same way as the standard ten rounders. If you legally possess any high cap mags for the 10/22 in California you can go ahead and use them. If you don't yet own any large capacity 10/22 magazines then there is no way for you to get any now. You are SOL.
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How can I obtain pre-ban magazines for an AR-15 and a Ruger 10/22 legally?
Move out here to AZ where we can use normal capacity mags and no bullet button! Sorry, but in CA you are out of luck
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What I want to know about the ruger 10/22 is... How can I put a high cap mag in it?
You would insert it like any other mag.

The problem is that if you don't already have the hi-cap, you can't get one. You cannot import or manufacture a hi-cap after the ban date. No one can sell you a hi-cap after the ban date. If you had it previously, it wouldn't be an issue.
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EMT John the simple answer is you can NOT for any of your guns. Period.
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Beating the dead horse I see! oh well lol
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EMT John the simple answer is you can NOT for any of your guns. Period.
Sad but true. Sorry
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So how would anyone know if I imported it from let's say Nevada or Arizona?
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So how would anyone know if I imported it from let's say Nevada or Arizona?
Well, worst case scenario you get stopped at the border crossing and they find them. Or somehow trace back this posting asking how to break the law and not get caught.
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So how would anyone know if I imported it from let's say Nevada or Arizona?

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That's an extreme long shot but you have a point jermedic... I'll inquire illegal activity elsewhere.
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Plus it's all hypothetical. ;-)
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I don't think that anyone here is trying to be mean, just that we can't really condone something we know to be illegal. Unfortunatly it is just something you can't do in CA. Now that you know the sad truth, what you do with that info is really up to you.
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With this post, this has been posted 3 times in this thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=387409

Please go read the post and follow the links out if you have further questions. Pay attention to the title; each word and the meaning of the combination of words is literally true.

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