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Old 10-08-2010, 10:44 PM
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Default how "sharp" are most red dots

I just got a primary arms gen 7 3 moa red dot today and was checking it out. To me, the dot seems huge, and is more of a teardrop then a dot.

Does this sound normal?
Whats the realistic size of a 3 moa dot. I know they are hard to photograph but just an idea to make sure I didnt recieve a defectice scope would be great.

Just sorta playing with it, I knoticed that the dot completly covers a 4" diamter circle at about 25 feet. This just seems way to big to me.
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Old 10-09-2010, 12:02 AM
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Vortex Strikefire is a 4MOA dot. I've shot a metal IDPA style silhouette out to 50+ yards at x1 power [no magnifier] w/o a problem. If you crank the brightness it will get a bit more washed out. Then again I'm more concerned with fast target acquisition and getting the round on the target as opposed to "where".

I'm curious if that's normal with the PA's or not. I wanted to get a micro down the road.
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Old 10-09-2010, 12:13 AM
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Ive herd nothing but good things, I sent them an email.

Really Im realizing already that the micro Isnt going to be the sight for me I think. Gonna see if they will let me switch it out for the m4 style and the flip out magnifyer mount.
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Old 10-09-2010, 4:54 AM
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3 MOA dot cover 3" inches at 100-yards.

4 MOA dot covers 4" inches at 100-tards.

5 MOA dot cover 5" inches at 100-yards...etc...

Don't know what to say, but you kinda gotta figure-out what a 3 MOA dot is "supposed" to look like at different distances. (IE, 10-yards, 25-yards, 50-yards, ettc...).

It's all relative to the shooter looking down the sights.

If you're at Richmond this Saturday the 9th, I can give you my opinion.

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Old 10-09-2010, 9:02 AM
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Ray, Im going to be up there next week. Have to redo the low voltage lighting and tear down my water softner today unfortunatly : (

And dont threaten me with checking it out, I may have you end up "testing and correcting" my zeroing on it : P
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i looked through an aimpoint last night (4moa) and the dot looked like crap, it was a oddly shaped blob.

the sight was very nice, but the dot was terrible.
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Guys, you're not suppose to look at the dot, look at the target. If the dot is too large, dial down the power a little.
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Do you have a prescription for glasses. Oblong or elongated dots often mean you have astigmatism in your primary shooting eye or both eyes sometimes. Go have an eye exam at your local optometrist or have someone you know sees just fine check it to see if its the same for them.
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Some users reported that adding an AimPoint killflash helps too.
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And dont threaten me with checking it out, I may have you end up "testing and correcting" my zeroing on it : P
Ha ha ha ha.

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Do you have a prescription for glasses. Oblong or elongated dots often mean you have astigmatism in your primary shooting eye or both eyes sometimes. Go have an eye exam at your local optometrist or have someone you know sees just fine check it to see if its the same for them.
I have pretty good vision, my distance focus is starting to get a little off from staring at computer screens for work the last....8 years? I had my girl take a look who has contacts, and she knoticed it also.

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Some users reported that adding an AimPoint killflash helps too.
You can actually see the individual pixels, not just a "haze", which Ive herd the killflash helps with.

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Sure sounds like you have a astigmatism. There are many many threads about this and red dot sights
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If I had astigmatism, would I be seeing each pixel still, and there being additional pixels outside the "dot" area?
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turn the brightness down and see if it goes away. I thought that I might have had astigmatism when I got my red dot but in bright sunlight it looks perfect.
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tried it, didnt help.

Sent it back, awaiting a replacement. Went with the m3 style with multi recticle. dot size is 2moa hopefully will be better.
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I got a Gen 6 Microdot for PA.

Its pretty sharp and a nice small dot. Most of the red dot fuzz or sharpness is a result of the shooters eye and not the red dot.
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I have a trijicon tripower and have a slight astigmatism in my right eye. The chevron looks a little fuzzy, more like a solid triangle. But, if I look at the chevron through the peep sight, it becomes much clearer.
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You can actually see the individual pixels, not just a "haze"
Sounds like you are looking at (focusing on) the dot and not the target. This happens with all the RDS that I've seen.
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i looked through an aimpoint last night (4moa) and the dot looked like crap, it was a oddly shaped blob.

the sight was very nice, but the dot was terrible.
In shooting a buddies Aimpoint, it was like a crescent moon and not a dot. It was strange as my cheapo replica is not a crisp dot either.
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I just got a primary arms gen 7 3 moa red dot today and was checking it out. To me, the dot seems huge, and is more of a teardrop then a dot.

Does this sound normal?
Whats the realistic size of a 3 moa dot. I know they are hard to photograph but just an idea to make sure I didnt recieve a defectice scope would be great.

Just sorta playing with it, I knoticed that the dot completly covers a 4" diamter circle at about 25 feet. This just seems way to big to me.
No, not normal. A good red dot sight should show a round dot.

Also, the way red dot is used, you shouldn't care too mcuh about its sharpness on the edges but that it is a nice round dot. 3MOA is pretty small.
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In shooting a buddies Aimpoint, it was like a crescent moon and not a dot. It was strange as my cheapo replica is not a crisp dot either.
I shot a different buddies Aimpoint compM3 with a 2 MOA dot. The dot looked crisp when it was turned up to the proper brightness. If it was too dim, it didn't look crisp and it it was too bright it was washed out.
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Aimpoint compM3 with a 2 MOA dot. The dot looked crisp when it was turned up to the proper brightness.
This is what I have and like it alot, Aimpoint is not cheap but worth the money IMHO.
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