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Old 04-11-2018, 7:22 PM
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Looking online, I see no up to date info about Torrance PD. Does anyone have any current info, especially in light of having a new Chief of Police? Thank you all.


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Old 04-17-2018, 7:09 AM
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It was not worth the time a few months ago.

IIRC, They wanted you to take the class before submitting the forms for approval which is the reverse of state law.
Another roadblock.

Let me see if I can find that thread.

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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...t=torrance+CCW
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Old 04-25-2018, 7:29 PM
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It was not worth the time a few months ago.

IIRC, They wanted you to take the class before submitting the forms for approval which is the reverse of state law.
Another roadblock.

Let me see if I can find that thread.

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You can handle this two ways: (1) Play their game.

If someone has been law abiding, and has the money to burn for a CCW course (probably worthwhile even if you don't get a CCW), they may want to work up their best Good Cause statement, supported by evidence for each assertion (e.g., range receipts if you say you're an avid shooter who carries multiple rifles, shotguns and/or pistols and hundreds of rounds for each once or twice per month; photos of you in the wilderness if you say you go hiking/backpacking in the wilderness where there's spotty cell hone coverage at best and long LE response).

A denial for insufficient GC does not hurt your future chances. A denial for lack of GMC may hurt your future chances.

(2) Get the LA County Superior Court's Civil Grand Jury involved in reviewing their policy and practices and give them a smack down.

(3) Hire a lawyer and go after them.

If I lived in Torrance and wanted, not needed, a CCW, I'd do #1 first and then #2.

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Or you can ignore all of the above and move down the 405 freeway about twenty miles just over the Orange County borderline and you'll get a ccw!
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Any luck getting issued? Anyone else have recent experience with Torrance PD?
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This will answer your questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=-wRgjsSHaGE

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Can CRPA file suit? NRA? Someone?

This is absurd.
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You can handle this two ways: (1) Play their game.

If someone has been law abiding, and has the money to burn for a CCW course (probably worthwhile even if you don't get a CCW), they may want to work up their best Good Cause statement, supported by evidence for each assertion (e.g., range receipts if you say you're an avid shooter who carries multiple rifles, shotguns and/or pistols and hundreds of rounds for each once or twice per month; photos of you in the wilderness if you say you go hiking/backpacking in the wilderness where there's spotty cell hone coverage at best and long LE response).

A denial for insufficient GC does not hurt your future chances. A denial for lack of GMC may hurt your future chances.

(2) Get the LA County Superior Court's Civil Grand Jury involved in reviewing their policy and practices and give them a smack down.

(3) Hire a lawyer and go after them.

If I lived in Torrance and wanted, not needed, a CCW, I'd do #1 first and then #2.

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Forget about Option #2 - The L.A. County Civil Grand Jury has no source of standing to "smack" the city of Torrance over their CCW policies. Civil Grand Juries have broad authority to investigate government functions, but they can't cause any change unless their investigation reveals illegal conduct.

Forget about Option #3 (unless you just like throwing money away) - The way the current CCW statutes are written, there isn't an effective avenue to challenge them directly. Until the body of constitutional law recognizes a personal right to CCW, there isn't much traction available for a lawsuit.
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Forget about Option #2 - The L.A. County Civil Grand Jury has no source of standing to "smack" the city of Torrance over their CCW policies. Civil Grand Juries have broad authority to investigate government functions, but they can't cause any change unless their investigation reveals illegal conduct.
That may well be, but it sure got Solano Co (city PDs and county SO) to clean up their acts AND to readily issue CCWs. See post 947 at:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...352744&page=24
sfpcservice (per post #948) was behind all that so anyone can PM him at CGN for more info on how he did it, how it went and how to do it.

As you can see from this SFBA local news report, the Grand Jury Report is what made Solano Co change its anti ways. Unfortunately, even to this day, some 9 years later, it is still the ONLY "green" county of the 9 SFBA counties.
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Things changed in 2009, after a grand jury found the Solano County sheriff may have had an “informal policy” of “denying access…and/or discouraging applicants.”

The number of people applying for new concealed carry permits has skyrocketed in Solano County, from 27 in 2011 to 254 so far this year.[2013 Nov 20]

A similar scenario played out in Sacramento County, after the gun rights group Calguns filed a lawsuit over the same issues. The county went from issuing 95 permits in 2009 to 727 in 2013.

In the nine-county Bay Area, the numbers are all over the chart: San Francisco for instance has not issued a single CCW permit in years. Marin County only has nine active permits. On the other end of the spectrum, Napa County has 359 and Solano County has the most at 451.

“A legal challenge can definitely motivate an official to act differently than they otherwise would, whether or not that challenge is meritorious,” said Cody Jacobs with the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Jacobs has helped to defend half a dozen California sheriffs against what he views as orchestrated attacks by the gun lobby. “Their goal is to intimidate local officials into just giving everyone permits,” he told KPIX 5.

Calguns Foundation president Gene Hoffman disagrees. “When we have a person who is the chief law enforcement officer of a county not actually following state law, it’s impossible to say that we are out there intimidating them,” Hoffman said.

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KPIX 5 put in records requests to all nine Bay Area county sheriffs and came up with a total of 1,616 active CCW permits. Here is the breakdown:

Solano: 451
Napa: 359
San Mateo: 239
Contra Costa: 205
Alameda: 170
Santa Clara: 99
Sonoma: 84
Marin: 29
San Francisco: 0
From: https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...apons-permits/

Copies of the Solano Co Grand Jury Reports and city PD and county SO replies for 2008 - 2009 can be downloaded for free from:
http://www.solano.courts.ca.gov/Gran...s20082009.html

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Forget about Option #3 (unless you just like throwing money away) - The way the current CCW statutes are written, there isn't an effective avenue to challenge them directly. Until the body of constitutional law recognizes a personal right to CCW, there isn't much traction available for a lawsuit.
I was referring to the old "Billy Jack" approach using: (1) CBS v. Block to force (in case they resist) releasing all their CCW apps to review issued vs denied GCs. If you find unequal treatment in issuing CCWs, use (2) Guillory v. Co of Orange/Gates for a 14th A EP challenge and (3) Salute v. Pitchess to ensure they actually process all apps to conclusion (vs denying out-of-hand). It does not guarantee a CCW, but can get many people issued who otherwise won't. It does NOT involve a 2nd A claim.
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