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Old 01-14-2014, 1:06 PM
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"he "ghost guns" that can slip through metal detectors and be assembled at home without safeguards are spurring efforts in California and elsewhere to bring these weapons and their owners out of the shadows.

A state lawmaker proposed legislation Monday to make background checks and gun registrations requirements for anyone who builds plastic firearms on a 3-D printer at home. The bill by state Sen. Kevin de Leon also would apply to anyone who buys parts that can be assembled into a gun.

It's part of a growing effort across the country to pre-empt the spread of these undetectable guns.

De Leon said he is trying to address a twin threat from what he called "ghost guns" — plastic guns that can evade metal detectors and unregistered weapons that can fall into the hands of people who are legally prohibited from owning firearms under state law.

"Currently, no one knows they exist until after a crime has been committed," said de Leon, a leading candidate to take over as Senate leader next year."
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exactly how many crimes have been committed with these ghost guns???
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no crimes have been committed with 3D guns. and there is nothing stopping you from printing them anyways, not like they are date-stamped.
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dupe

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not quite dupe, but thanks for the link. this was a news article today, rather than the legal mumbo jumbo we gun lovers like to parse through
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not quite dupe, but thanks for the link. this was a news article today, rather than the legal mumbo jumbo we gun lovers like to parse through
It was a news article about the bill that was already being discussed.
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How do they come up with these terms. What is a ghost gun? Does it go boo?
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exactly how many crimes have been committed with these ghost guns???
How would we know? They're invisible and they fly thru walls.
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How do they come up with these terms. What is a ghost gun? Does it go boo?
It goes BOOM & disappears in a cloud of smoke
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How do they come up with these terms. What is a ghost gun? Does it go boo?
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"he "ghost guns" that can slip through metal detectors and be assembled at home without safeguards are spurring efforts in California and elsewhere to bring these weapons and their owners out of the shadows.

A state lawmaker proposed legislation Monday to make background checks and gun registrations requirements for anyone who builds plastic firearms on a 3-D printer at home. The bill by state Sen. Kevin de Leon also would apply to anyone who buys parts that can be assembled into a gun.

It's part of a growing effort across the country to pre-empt the spread of these undetectable guns.

De Leon said he is trying to address a twin threat from what he called "ghost guns" — plastic guns that can evade metal detectors and unregistered weapons that can fall into the hands of people who are legally prohibited from owning firearms under state law.

"Currently, no one knows they exist until after a crime has been committed," said de Leon, a leading candidate to take over as Senate leader next year."
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exactly how many crimes have been committed with these ghost guns???
These idiots do understand that bullets (for the most part) are made of metal and will show up right?
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It is not wise to create criminals where none exist. Especially when those newly-minted criminals may or may not be heavily armed with guns you know nothing about.
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Would this affect 80% lowers as well? Since 80% lowers are not serialized, would it be considered a ghost gun?
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Easy to build a Liberator type gun with a drill and block of plastic - watch In the Line of Fire.
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They are just pandering to the scared voters in this state and hoping to fuel the ever growing fire of misinformation. They know there's no readily available undetectable firearm, and that any prohibited person can get a firearm, registered or not.

THEY JUST WANT YOUR GUNS!

It's pretty easy to figure out.
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According to the blurb on the radio I heard this morning DeLeon says ganbangers are running buck wild across the land armed with these things.

If only they had serial numbers and proper registration ...
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Lol this will only stop law abiding citizens from making these. Do these idiots really think criminals will care a little law and follow it! Lmfao that won't stop anyone!
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Would this affect 80% lowers as well? Since 80% lowers are not serialized, would it be considered a ghost gun?
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Please see http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=876486

Owning the paperweight isn't, but the act of building said paperweight into lower is 'building the firearm'.
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According to the blurb on the radio I heard this morning DeLeon says ganbangers are running buck wild across the land armed with these things.

If only they had serial numbers and proper registration ...
I don't usually LOL but that one got me. This bill is such a joke!
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If anyone wants to make a so-called "ghost gun" they can do so and NO LAW will stop them. Like locks, laws just keep honest people honest.

Anyone with half a brain can figure out a million ways to kill someone, if that's what they really want to do. You don't need a gun. 9/11 proved just how effective people can be at killing without guns.
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These idiots do understand that bullets (for the most part) are made of metal and will show up right?
Also; isn't it already illegal to have an all plastic gun? If yes; then what is the point of this person's new law again?
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It is not wise to create criminals where none exist. Especially when those newly-minted criminals may or may not be heavily armed with guns you know nothing about.
+1000. Nailed it!!!

I'm going to borrow this for a sig line, POLICE. Absolutely awesome quote and dead on right.


DeLeon is the poster child for all that is wrong in Sacramento. This useless idiot has to go.
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Strange, I remember when Glocks first came out and there were news stories saying that they were plastic and could easily be used to slip past airport security.
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Holy sh**, I use to have one of these when I was a kid. Now this is a ghost gun.

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I had one of these; was a lot of fun.
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Would this affect 80% lowers as well? Since 80% lowers are not serialized, would it be considered a ghost gun?
Yep. Read:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=876486
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This is all silliness folks. Everybody knows ghosts don't exist.

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Hater be like:"show us your gun!"
I be like:"I am"
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Here is the info I could find on De Leon's senate website:

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SACRAMENTO, CA – Today, Monday, January 13, 2014 at 11:15 a.m. the California Department of Justice will display homemade firearms in State Capitol Room 1190 to highlight the growing threat of untraceable and undetectable guns.

WHEN: Monday, January 13, 2014 @ 11:15 a.m.

WHERE: State Capitol, Room 1190

WHO: Senator Kevin de León; Stephen Lindley, Chief, Bureau of Firearms, California Department of Justice; Wayne Bilowit, Lieutenant, Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department; Sacramento Police Department; and the Nick Wilcox, California Chapters, Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

WHY: There is an emerging industry and market for untraceable and undetectable ghost guns. Gun parts can be obtained online or now with 3D printers made at home, leaving no way for law enforcement to ensure that prohibited individuals are not making ghost guns on their own.

VISUALS: Homemade firearms
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Can we NOT use the term "ghost guns"?

It's a made-up terminology by the antis to scare the public opinion.
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Hmmm.... safer communities I don't know about you but releasing criminals from jail that are over flowing probably isnt helping your cause. I think these invisible guns are the least of your worries when you have rapist running around and raping people. You know the same people that wanted a conceal weapons permit but got denied cause Cali says no. But yes this is the issue that needs to be addressed about ****ty *** plastic lowers that snap in two after three rounds fired.

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Strange, I remember when Glocks first came out and there were news stories saying that they were plastic and could easily be used to slip past airport security.
Like the glock 7

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Two questions.
1. How will this law stop crime from occuring and
2. How will you stop people from continuing to do this in their garage?

"Ban machining equipment except for licensed companies!" Right...
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"ghost guns" and 3D printing are just the catch phrases they're using to get the bill through.

I think the real intent is to include any 80% builds, and maybe even OLL home-builds.

The text of the bill says "making or assembling a firearm".

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maybe even OLL home-builds.

The text of the bill says "making or assembling a firearm".
Well, as far as the government is concerned, a stripped AR-15 receiver is a firearm, so adding the rest of the parts could be considered assembling a rifle but not a firearm.
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Like the glock 7

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CA is recognized as the WORST run state in America for 2013, so what are our lawmakers doing - chasing ghosts. Looks like they want to keep us #1 for 2014 too.

http://247wallst.com/special-report/...of-all-50-2/6/
Hey we're number 1!

Oh... wait...
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People can just print AR lowers in their home without anyone ever knowing!

So we'll... Make it illegal... So they can't do that... What

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