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Old 12-12-2017, 10:43 AM
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"Despite last week's fanfare, any Senate vote on concealed carry is not expected until next spring, sources said Monday."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ate-fight.html
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Old 12-12-2017, 10:25 PM
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"Despite last week's fanfare, any Senate vote on concealed carry is not expected until next spring, sources said Monday."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ate-fight.html
Cornyn wants to split off NICSfix from the reciprocity bill, which to my mind is the only leverage there is to get some democrats to vote for it. OBVIOUSLY there is bipartisan support for NICSfix--it is something the democrats want. So we should get back something in return. But splitting them allows the dems to get what they want and then pile on to defeat reciprocity. Plus delaying any vote until spring sounds like a way to sweep it under the rug. Sadly, I am not optimistic.
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Old 12-13-2017, 7:28 AM
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Cornyn wants to split off NICSfix from the reciprocity bill, which to my mind is the only leverage there is to get some democrats to vote for it. OBVIOUSLY there is bipartisan support for NICSfix--it is something the democrats want. So we should get back something in return. But splitting them allows the dems to get what they want and then pile on to defeat reciprocity. Plus delaying any vote until spring sounds like a way to sweep it under the rug. Sadly, I am not optimistic.
Which is EXACLY why they merged them together..in which by the way was a very smart move. The members of calguns have been saying time and time again that repicosity would not pass as a stand alone bill, that it would have to be attached to a bill the dems really want. WELL....HERE IT IS!!!!! They know it and they`re pissed off. Cornyn is raging against it because his bill didn`t get any support and this one did..in other words his pompous *** is not in the limelight. The NRA supports the merge. The dems are between a rock and a hard place right now. They can`t have thier cake and eat it too. This is the true test and people on calguns need to support the merge of the two bills. Also I`ve read the bill...This merge needed to be done.

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Old 12-13-2017, 9:07 AM
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"Despite last week's fanfare, any Senate vote on concealed carry is not expected until next spring, sources said Monday."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ate-fight.html
But how would that make any sense, since it would be a new legislative year and the momentum from the passage of the house bill would be gone. AND, the house would have to pass the bill again.

Or am I missing something?

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Old 12-13-2017, 9:09 AM
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Cornyn wants to split off NICSfix from the reciprocity bill, which to my mind is the only leverage there is to get some democrats to vote for it. OBVIOUSLY there is bipartisan support for NICSfix--it is something the democrats want. So we should get back something in return. But splitting them allows the dems to get what they want and then pile on to defeat reciprocity. Plus delaying any vote until spring sounds like a way to sweep it under the rug. Sadly, I am not optimistic.
Yeah, I dont get splitting them off at all as the NICS is an alternative reason for voting yes on the bill.

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Old 12-13-2017, 9:22 AM
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Each US Congress is TWO years; the current 115th Congress is in session until Jan 2019. There are no bill deadlines associated with the end of this year.

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But how would that make any sense, since it would be a new legislative year and the momentum from the passage of the house bill would be gone. AND, the house would have to pass the bill again.

Or am I missing something?

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Old 12-13-2017, 9:23 AM
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Each US Congress is TWO years; the current 115th Congress is in session until Jan 2019. There are no bill deadlines associated with the end of this year.
Ahhhhh guess I was missing something Thanks!
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But how would that make any sense, since it would be a new legislative year and the momentum from the passage of the house bill would be gone. AND, the house would have to pass the bill again.

Or am I missing something?

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Congress does 2-year sessions, in this case Jan 3, 2017 through Jan 3, 2019; other than the end of session, Congress has no legislative deadlines.
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Old 12-13-2017, 1:25 PM
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Updated the vote prediction spreadsheet. We'll be lucky to get 57 votes.

I don't expect Jones will go for this. The Dems don't expect him to win in 2020, so they'll sacrifice him and have him go hard-left. Especially on gun bills.

Focus on 2018. VOTE IN YOUR PRIMARIES. Carefully select pro-gun Republicans who can actually win elections, please.
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Old 12-13-2017, 4:20 PM
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Updated the vote prediction spreadsheet. We'll be lucky to get 57 votes.

I don't expect Jones will go for this. The Dems don't expect him to win in 2020, so they'll sacrifice him and have him go hard-left. Especially on gun bills.

Focus on 2018. VOTE IN YOUR PRIMARIES. Carefully select pro-gun Republicans who can actually win elections, please.
Excellent sheet. My own guess is 55, 2 wavering, and 58 max. This is just not going to happen UNLESS we throw the Dems a bone. DACA maybe. Since the vast majority of Americans believe in fixing it anyway. Quid pro quo.
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Old 12-13-2017, 4:39 PM
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California's gun owners seems to vote anti gun.
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