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Old 12-12-2017, 9:43 AM
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"Despite last week's fanfare, any Senate vote on concealed carry is not expected until next spring, sources said Monday."

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"Despite last week's fanfare, any Senate vote on concealed carry is not expected until next spring, sources said Monday."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ate-fight.html
Cornyn wants to split off NICSfix from the reciprocity bill, which to my mind is the only leverage there is to get some democrats to vote for it. OBVIOUSLY there is bipartisan support for NICSfix--it is something the democrats want. So we should get back something in return. But splitting them allows the dems to get what they want and then pile on to defeat reciprocity. Plus delaying any vote until spring sounds like a way to sweep it under the rug. Sadly, I am not optimistic.
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Cornyn wants to split off NICSfix from the reciprocity bill, which to my mind is the only leverage there is to get some democrats to vote for it. OBVIOUSLY there is bipartisan support for NICSfix--it is something the democrats want. So we should get back something in return. But splitting them allows the dems to get what they want and then pile on to defeat reciprocity. Plus delaying any vote until spring sounds like a way to sweep it under the rug. Sadly, I am not optimistic.
Which is EXACLY why they merged them together..in which by the way was a very smart move. The members of calguns have been saying time and time again that repicosity would not pass as a stand alone bill, that it would have to be attached to a bill the dems really want. WELL....HERE IT IS!!!!! They know it and they`re pissed off. Cornyn is raging against it because his bill didn`t get any support and this one did..in other words his pompous *** is not in the limelight. The NRA supports the merge. The dems are between a rock and a hard place right now. They can`t have thier cake and eat it too. This is the true test and people on calguns need to support the merge of the two bills. Also I`ve read the bill...This merge needed to be done.

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"Despite last week's fanfare, any Senate vote on concealed carry is not expected until next spring, sources said Monday."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ate-fight.html
But how would that make any sense, since it would be a new legislative year and the momentum from the passage of the house bill would be gone. AND, the house would have to pass the bill again.

Or am I missing something?

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Cornyn wants to split off NICSfix from the reciprocity bill, which to my mind is the only leverage there is to get some democrats to vote for it. OBVIOUSLY there is bipartisan support for NICSfix--it is something the democrats want. So we should get back something in return. But splitting them allows the dems to get what they want and then pile on to defeat reciprocity. Plus delaying any vote until spring sounds like a way to sweep it under the rug. Sadly, I am not optimistic.
Yeah, I dont get splitting them off at all as the NICS is an alternative reason for voting yes on the bill.

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Each US Congress is TWO years; the current 115th Congress is in session until Jan 2019. There are no bill deadlines associated with the end of this year.

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But how would that make any sense, since it would be a new legislative year and the momentum from the passage of the house bill would be gone. AND, the house would have to pass the bill again.

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Each US Congress is TWO years; the current 115th Congress is in session until Jan 2019. There are no bill deadlines associated with the end of this year.
Ahhhhh guess I was missing something Thanks!
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But how would that make any sense, since it would be a new legislative year and the momentum from the passage of the house bill would be gone. AND, the house would have to pass the bill again.

Or am I missing something?

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Congress does 2-year sessions, in this case Jan 3, 2017 through Jan 3, 2019; other than the end of session, Congress has no legislative deadlines.
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Updated the vote prediction spreadsheet. We'll be lucky to get 57 votes.

I don't expect Jones will go for this. The Dems don't expect him to win in 2020, so they'll sacrifice him and have him go hard-left. Especially on gun bills.

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Updated the vote prediction spreadsheet. We'll be lucky to get 57 votes.

I don't expect Jones will go for this. The Dems don't expect him to win in 2020, so they'll sacrifice him and have him go hard-left. Especially on gun bills.

Focus on 2018. VOTE IN YOUR PRIMARIES. Carefully select pro-gun Republicans who can actually win elections, please.
Excellent sheet. My own guess is 55, 2 wavering, and 58 max. This is just not going to happen UNLESS we throw the Dems a bone. DACA maybe. Since the vast majority of Americans believe in fixing it anyway. Quid pro quo.
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California's gun owners seems to vote anti gun.
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With the latest news proving once again that the governor and democrats care more about illegal alien criminals than they do about the safety of law abiding citizens, the NRA needs to get the Senate to put this up for a vote immediately.

The Republicans need to pass reciprocity any way they have to, since we have a unlawful governor and his party that are taking steps to endanger the people that live in this state.

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With the latest news proving once again that the governor and democrats care more about illegal alien criminals than they do about the safety of law abiding citizens, the NRA needs to get the Senate to put this up for a vote immediately.

The Republicans need to pass reciprocity any way they have to, since we have a unlawful governor and his party that are taking steps to endanger the people that live in this state.

http://thegatewaypundit.com/2017/12/...g-deportation/
Unreal, but not surprised. Just read LA got police funding denied. It is a start.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...orcement-cash/
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Unreal, but not surprised. Just read LA got police funding denied. It is a start.



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...orcement-cash/


Same article says that they committed $10 million to fund legal challenges for illegal immigrants — so they obviously don’t need the money anyway — they just need to get their priorities straight.


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In the other, now closed, thread gerrymandering was mentioned. I am concerned that the consensus of a majority of the nation could care less about California (and a couple other states). The pulse of the nation appears that a shift is nigh. A new census is very near. Should the proposals have a chance action needs to be taken on soon. It would not be surprising that the mid-term and '20 elections may not be conducive to legislation moving forward, or being approved. Seems to me there is but a few months to take action.
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In the other, now closed, thread gerrymandering was mentioned. I am concerned that the consensus of a majority of the nation could care less about California (and a couple other states). The pulse of the nation appears that a shift is nigh. A new census is very near. Should the proposals have a chance action needs to be taken on soon. It would not be surprising that the mid-term and '20 elections may not be conducive to legislation moving forward, or being approved. Seems to me there is but a few months to take action.
Exactly. Window of action is closing. Where is the Senate?!?!?
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There is a lot of confusion on this issue, which is partially due to the explanations given by the Bill's author. But, as others have pointed out, the language of the Bill supports the contention that a permit or license from any state will suffice. But, and this is a big but, we will have to see what, if anything, comes out of the Senate. This is where some NRA mussel could help.

At this time, I think that the best we can do is to try to convince Mitch McConnell to invoke the nuclear option if the Dems try to filibuster. It is long past time to drive the final nail into the filibuster's coffin, given that politics have become so divisive. I would not say this if I was convinced that the Dems would do this the very next time the gained a majority. This is war and the sole goal should be to win. So why wait for the next POTUS nomination to the SCOTUS to put an end to the filibuster? What can be gained by waiting? All of us know that the nuclear option will be needed for all of Trumps nominations to the SCOTUS, so why not simply kill the filibuster now so that we can get all pro 2A legislation through while we have the majority to do so?
This has been debated many times, some of us believe the wording would not support out-of-state permits, and some think it would. The way I look at it is that if there is any wiggle room at all - how is California going to decide? Against the 2nd amendment of course. Of course I hope I'm wrong, but I still don't understand why it would be worded so poorly unless it was worded this way to screw us?

It is probably a mute point anyway because the Senate Republicans don't have the balls to do what they would need to do to get enough Democrats on board to get the 60 votes needed for cloture.
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This has been debated many times, some of us believe the wording would not support out-of-state permits, and some think it would. The way I look at it is that if there is any wiggle room at all - how is California going to decide? Against the 2nd amendment of course. Of course I hope I'm wrong, but I still don't understand why it would be worded so poorly unless it was worded this way to screw us?

It is probably a mute point anyway because the Senate Republicans don't have the balls to do what they would need to do to get enough Democrats on board to get the 60 votes needed for cloture.
From what I understand, it makes detaining someone on the basis of a handgun to be illegal. So I think the argument is moot.
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The chicken littles over at the SJ Mercury News are having a hissie fit at the idea of national reciprocity becoming law.

They'd even prefer to sink FixNICS if that's what it takes to stop reciprocity.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/12/...nder-gop-bill/
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Senate is back. Let’s see if something nice happens.
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Senate is back. Let’s see if something nice happens.
As already mentioned, when the House bill passed, insiders said not to expect any Senate movement until Spring. The next month or two will be all about budgets and infrastructure.
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Mods please move this if need be. Thanks.

My question is this.
IF the bill passes and CCW is accepted nation wide and my Idaho Enhanced CCW is good, will I be able to carry an Off Roster firearm acquired in Idaho for the duration of my visit in California?
I understand it will depend on any new regs they throw out to counter this.
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This has already been answered. Yes. The roster has ZERO to do with what people carry. Only what they can BUY from an FFL in California.

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My question is this.
IF the bill passes and CCW is accepted nation wide and my Idaho Enhanced CCW is good, will I be able to carry an Off Roster firearm acquired in Idaho for the duration of my visit in California?
I understand it will depend on any new regs they throw out to counter this.

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This bill will not pass as written. Expect it to be gutted by the senate. Of course the "Fix NICS" will stay.

I'll be happy to eat these words if I'm wrong, but I'm not. We will not get what we want from this.
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This bill will not pass as written. Expect it to be gutted by the senate. Of course the "Fix NICS" will stay.



I'll be happy to eat these words if I'm wrong, but I'm not. We will not get what we want from this.


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Good overview of the "moving pieces" involved with national reciprocity in the Senate:
http://www.macon.com/opinion/readers...193916549.html
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Good overview of the "moving pieces" involved with national reciprocity in the Senate:
http://www.macon.com/opinion/readers...193916549.html
The "moving pieces" I am most concerned about are Cornyn and McConnell. McConnell will be the one who will decide if it ever hits the floor, and Cornyn may try to kill the House bill so that he can take the credit for the passage of his pet Senate bill. Further, the House bill offers the carrot of NICSFix in exchange for passage, while Cornyn wants to split the two bills, a plan that may sabotage any possibility of passage. If they are split, Democrats NICSFix for nothing and can vote against or maybe just block through filibuster, but unless they drop a filibuster of the House joined bill, they get neither. Then again, they may not care; if NICSFix doesn't pass in one form or another, it will be used as campaign fodder against Republicans.
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Updated the vote prediction spreadsheet. We'll be lucky to get 57 votes.

I don't expect Jones will go for this. The Dems don't expect him to win in 2020, so they'll sacrifice him and have him go hard-left. Especially on gun bills.

Focus on 2018. VOTE IN YOUR PRIMARIES. Carefully select pro-gun Republicans who can actually win elections, please.
I think any Dems in trouble will vote for it as long as it doesn't pass. Jones voting against it will ensure he's out in 2 years.
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With the latest news proving once again that the governor and democrats care more about illegal alien criminals than they do about the safety of law abiding citizens, the NRA needs to get the Senate to put this up for a vote immediately.

The Republicans need to pass reciprocity any way they have to, since we have a unlawful governor and his party that are taking steps to endanger the people that live in this state.

http://thegatewaypundit.com/2017/12/...g-deportation/
Sounds like it may get a vote right before the 2018 elections for maximum effect.
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If so it could be the last vote for Ed Royce and Darrell Issa.
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It's called pulling a fast one on gun owners. Everyone needs to read the above article completely !!

To recap, what are some clues that you should be concerned with the fix-NICS bill?

(1) The first sentence after the title of the bill reads “Section 103 of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (34 U.S.C. 40901) is amended…”

(2) Senators Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer are cosponsors in the Senate. This is a big warning sign!

(3) It’s being rammed through, without a hearing, in a very nontransparent process, and it will be passed by attaching it to the popular concealed carry reciprocity bill which already has enough votes to pass on its own.

(4) It spends over half a billion dollars to collect more names to include in a list of people who will never be allowed to own a firearm.

(5) It compels administrative agencies, not just courts, to adjudicate (Away) your second amendment rights.

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that's my take also....screw feind steen and thompson!!! both never found an anti gun law they would not vote for.
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As has already been addressed, your "take" as quoted from GrampaJoel is based 100% on emotion and 0% on what the text of the bill actually says and does.

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True!

I hope that the tide goes our way and the country wins NOT the politicians.
Ever met these two?
Thompson I have talked eye to eye with as he claims to be a hunter, then votes against gun rights.
Called him on it....
Got a song and a dance.
I will forgo comments on her.

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Breitbart keeps the focus and heat on McConnell:

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Mitch McConnell Ignores National Reciprocity for 46 Consecutive Weeks

It is January 23, 2018, and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has ignored national reciprocity for 46 consecutive weeks.

Breitbart News reported that national reciprocity was introduced in the Senate on March 1, 2017, but McConnell has yet to say a word about it in public.
More at: http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...cutive-week-2/
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The silence from Mitch tells us everything we need to know.

Swamp creatures have learned to play the base for support even if they never get anything.

"Elect/re-elect us and we promise to get it done NEXT TIME".

The dems gave played their minority base like that for 50 years.
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As has already been addressed, your "take" as quoted from GrampaJoel is based 100% on emotion and 0% on what the text of the bill actually says and does.
Agreed. The Senate NICSFix bill is not attached to Cornyn's national reciprocity bill, and Cornyn thinks they should be considered separately. As far as I can tell, there are not enough votes to get Cornyn's (or the House) bill past a filibuster, so it isn't exactly "widely popular" in the Senate. As others have posted, McConnell is in no hurry whatsoever to get either bill to a vote, and since he hasn't even mentioned it, we don't know if that is because he has made the political calculation that it doesn't have enough votes to pass (and would be a major blow if it failed) or he just doesn't think there should be national reciprocity. Who knows.
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When the house bill passed last year it was openly stated that this bill would not come up for a Senate vote until the Spring. I don't know why anyone is acting surprised or upset since this is still January.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpJQTiGe3uc

Take it with a grain of salt if you will.
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Old 01-26-2018, 8:21 PM
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Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpJQTiGe3uc

Take it with a grain of salt if you will.
Thanks. See the article linked in my post #228 above for what I think. tl;dr there are a lot of "moving pieces", so it is difficult to predict what will happen to nat'l recip this year. IMO, even Trump's behavior or popularity may factor into what the Senate does or doesn't do. I've still got another 6.25 years on my FL CCW, so I'm good regardless. Won't have to apply with the rush should it pass this year or next (assuming antis don't gain ground in the Nov election).

Here's your video embedded. Notice how he predicts the vote won't be until Oct, the month before the elections....

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