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Old 04-09-2018, 8:35 AM
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I’ve never hunted, so I have no clue about rules and stuff.

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Depends on what you want to hunt. Take a hunter safety course and you'll find out all you need to know.
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Once you have your hunting license you may legally hunt various small game and varmints with a .22 LR.
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Hunting rabbits with a .22 is a great way to get started. When you take your hunter safety class, I'm sure the people teaching it will be more than happy to answer your questions (at least when I took my son for his license a few years back the guys were super friendly and excited to answer questions for a new hunter).

Your next challenge will be to find a hunting pal and an area to hunt. Luckily finding public land with rabbits is a lot easier than finding public land with big game...
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as other said, 22LR is fine for rabbits and similar sized game. with in 100 yards?
now 5.56/223 is also a 22 caliber. but it is center fired round, so some states it is legal for deer size game.
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A friend of mine hunted a butterfly with a 12 ga. double-barrel. Yes, there was beer involved.
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Good luck finding .22lr copper ammo that shoots decent groups.
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2019+ will deminish a lot of 22LR users...
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Good luck finding .22lr copper ammo that shoots decent groups.

With what wev'e learned about copper in center fire i wonder if reaming the chamber a bit and scrubbing the bore good might not change all that.
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now 5.56/223 is also a 22 caliber. but it is center fired round, so some states it is legal for deer size game.
Including California.
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2019+ will deminish a lot of 22LR users...
Hmm. Hunting, yes. How about at the range or plinking? Thought that is still GTG. Could be wrong; too damn many "laws" to remember.
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Pristine bores and sparkling clean barrels still do not make copper shoot better.
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Pristine bores and sparkling clean barrels still do not make copper shoot better.
Shoot better, or shoot well enough to get the job done? First hand load I ever tested in a .30-06 with 150 grain Hornady GMX bullets shot a 1-1/4 inch group. That'll kill a deer or an elk or a pronghorn at up to 200 yards, which is about as far as I'm comfortable shooting. It's comparable to other hand loads for the same rifle. I don't need to waste powder or bullets trying to improve upon that.

Copper arguably doesn't have the same effective range as lead. I realize that's a problem for some people but it's not a problem for me.

Divernhunter isn't the type who sugar coats things. He swears by Barnes TTSX. So do other people I've talked with.

The only complaint I've heard about copper bullets comes from a PH in Africa who won't allow them for dangerous game. Right now that's not a problem for anyone.

As for the .22s, this is an unscientific test by an "ordinary" user. I looked at the first 9 reviews I could find in a search and the only negative one was from Chuck Hawks. Perhaps the other tests were rigged to shoot smaller groups but I sorta doubt it.

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Look at the big sites like cabelas and read the reviews of the lead free .22lr. It's pretty telling.
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Look at the big sites like cabelas and read the reviews of the lead free .22lr. It's pretty telling.
I've got 3 .22lr rifles (Savage, Marlin and Winchester) and some CCI copper rounds to put through them. They're supposed to be good to 75 yards.

If the weather cooperates, I'll report back this weekend...with photos.
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Knowing the rules and stuff is part of hunting. What are you looking to harvest?
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Unfortunately OP, like anything CA laws related, you've asked a simple question, but there isn't a simple answer.

Rimfire ammo of any caliber can't be used for taking "large game" as defined by DFW. It is, however, totally legal to use for most small game species and non-game species.

Some places it's okay to hunt with rifles, other places are shotgun only. This is most common in DFW wildlife areas, and they vary on regulation from one to the next.

Taking a hunter's safety course will help introduce you to some of the basic rules, but ultimately if you are looking to get into hunting, there are many hours of research to be done to stay in compliance.
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The mail lady (my wife) just handed me my printed copy of the 2018 Big Game Hunting Digest. You can find back issues here. I'm guessing the 2018 issue will be available in electronic form in a few weeks with plenty of time to enter the big game drawing if you're so inclined.

I'd start by reading through the 2017 issue and then reading the posts in this forum. A web search will turn up more resources than you can possibly absorb in any reasonable amount of time. Once you've done a little background reading and have a better idea of the kind of hunting that captures your fancy, that's when you should post some more specific questions.
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I bought 5 boxes at big 5 with 10 bucks off coupons before they changed to no coupons for ammo. Hoarding it till I have to use it. I load .223 with copperheads for 15 cents a round. Not counting brass cost that is cheaper than non lead 22lr.

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Pristine bores and sparkling clean barrels still do not make copper shoot better.
In either rim fire or center fire,

but that and providing more jump to the lands is where you get the accuracy with a centerfire.

You can't seat a .22 shorter but who knows if cutting the throat a bit deeper might accomplish the same thing.

Plenty of basically worthless .22's around to test the theory, just a thought.
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Good luck finding .22lr copper ammo that shoots decent groups.
I was determined to prove you wrong. Instead I'm having a heaping helping of crow for lunch.

CCI copper out of a Savage shoots almost well enough to be barely usable at 50 yards. Results out of a Marlin 60 weren't acceptable. At 75 yards with the two different rifles, 3 of 5 shots in each group weren't even on the 8-1/2x11 target.
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My comments on copper bullets and clean barrels are all pointed toward CENTERFIRE cartridges. I do not know anything about the RF non-lead ammo. I do not load for that so I do not know.
I will say that what I say about CENTERFIRE pure copper(all or Jacketed) bullets is 100% spot on. If you cannot get it to shoot well it is your fault since you probably are not following the 4 basic rules. Many people find the Barnes bullets will group smaller than any other bullet they have tried. If someone has trouble they can feel free to contact me before they waste time and money sorting it out. Just do not condemn the bullets when it is the loader who is the problem.
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Divenhunter, you should knkw by now that anything on calguns always starts first with the other stuff before its the user. shame on you.
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Yes I just wanted the newer people to non-lead not to get steered wrong by Epaphroditus with his remark. Which is incorrect when shooting centerfire ammo. The OP who knows very little judging by his post might get the wrong idea. He came here to learn and not to get confused or told wrong info.

But mif_slim I do understand where you are going from............especially on CalGuns
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I've never hunted in CA, but back in Oregon it's legal to take grey squirrels with 22lr, and they were the only game animal it was legal to harvest that way. Antelope and deer can be hunted with a 223 or other sufficiently powerful 22 caliber centerfire. For bigger critters they required .24 caliber IIRC.

The regs used to also stipulate a minimum energy level I believe.
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I was determined to prove you wrong. Instead I'm having a heaping helping of crow for lunch.

CCI copper out of a Savage shoots almost well enough to be barely usable at 50 yards. Results out of a Marlin 60 weren't acceptable. At 75 yards with the two different rifles, 3 of 5 shots in each group weren't even on the 8-1/2x11 target.
Have you tried the Winchester stuff with a tin bullet? The groups are alot bigger then the Wolf Match I run through my .22 target guns, but its good to 75-100 yards on rabbits or squirrels.
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Good luck finding .22lr copper ammo that shoots decent groups.
The CCI copper 22lr shoots just fine for rabbits. Used some this last season with no issue. Took em down quick, and I haven't had issues finding any stock lately. Stock up now so when cottontail season starts you won't be scrambling to find a box.
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No restrictions on target/ plinkimg ammo. Get an airrifle.
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I was determined to prove you wrong. Instead I'm having a heaping helping of crow for lunch.

CCI copper out of a Savage shoots almost well enough to be barely usable at 50 yards. Results out of a Marlin 60 weren't acceptable. At 75 yards with the two different rifles, 3 of 5 shots in each group weren't even on the 8-1/2x11 target.
Yeah, had my issues. Wish 22lr was exempted from the lead ban.
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Have you tried the Winchester stuff with a tin bullet? The groups are alot bigger then the Wolf Match I run through my .22 target guns, but its good to 75-100 yards on rabbits or squirrels.
Wasn't aware of these. I'll have to track some down and try them out.

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Wasn't aware of these. I'll have to track some down and try them out.

Thanks!
The Winchester ones have the worst reviews, but I haven’t tried them.
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Are lead pellets from an air rifle ok for hunting in the condor zone?
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Good luck finding .22lr copper ammo that shoots decent groups.
To solve this im going to start handloading my .22lr with copper bullets 🤣
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Are lead pellets from an air rifle ok for hunting in the condor zone?
Air rifles are not firearms and are not subject to the lead-free requirements.
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Good for turkeys and small game. Some are quite powerful. I take rabbits in season all the time.
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I'd try just making a dedicated rifle for .22 LR non-lead. They are cheap enough.

Whenever I switched from lead to non-lead the non-lead rounds would throw a couple of rounds. After a couple of shots they would settle down and be acceptable.

Happened every time I switched between the two.
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Only larger game such as Rhinoceros, Grizzly, Bull Dykes, etc....
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The mail lady (my wife) just handed me my printed copy of the 2018 Big Game Hunting Digest. You can find back issues here. I'm guessing the 2018 issue will be available in electronic form in a few weeks with plenty of time to enter the big game drawing if you're so inclined.

I'd start by reading through the 2017 issue and then reading the posts in this forum. A web search will turn up more resources than you can possibly absorb in any reasonable amount of time. Once you've done a little background reading and have a better idea of the kind of hunting that captures your fancy, that's when you should post some more specific questions.
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Guys that are testing now please post your rifle type and distance you are testing. Thanks
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