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Walmart Required ID to Purchase Ammo
Walked into the Walmart in Kearny Mesa (San Diego) on Saturday to check out the ammo supply. They had a bunch of .45 ACP that I was interested in. I told the clerk "I'd like to get some ammo". She said "let me get the clerk with the key". Here is what followed.
Clerk: Who needs ammo? Me: I do. Clerk: I need to see an ID Me: Why do you need to see an ID? Clerk: It's the law. Me: No, its not Clerk: Yes it is, ATF told us its the law. Me: The law is you cannot sell handgun ammo to a minor (I'm 57 years old and CLEARLY not a minor). Clerk: ATF told Walmart we have to check ID's, it's the law. Me: I don't care what BATFE told Walmart, it is not the law in California to require ID to purchase ammo. Is it a Walmart policy? (I've never been asked for ID when purchasing ammo at Walmart before) Clerk: Yeah, whatever, do you want the ammo, I need the ID. Me: Fine, here it is. (I give her my Retired Military ID, on which the DOB is on the back side, she never even turned it over to look). Now granted, we're talking about a young girl, probably making minimum wage, who is just doing what she's told. But it really pissed me off when she kept telling me "it's the law, ATF says so". Anyone else have any encounters like this with WallyWorld?
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I have.
Its Walmart policy, dont agree then shop somewhere else. Its not like they keep track of anything. |
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It is the law that you have to be 21 or older to buy handgun ammunition. The only way for the clerk to know you are over 21yo is to see your ID to verify that. Would you give a clerk at 7-11 the same crap for asking to see your ID to buy cigarettes or beer? If you would you're in the wrong.
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Bought some ammo from Walmart a few weeks back. Wasn't asked for ID.
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welcome to walmart now get your **** and get out....
I have been asked sometimes and others not just depends on whos behind the counter. Its not like they record anything anyways they just look at it and hand it back to you. |
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I think some of you guys are missing the point. I could care less that they want to see my ID, I know they don't record any info.
The point is, if BATFE is telling Walmart to require identification to purchase ammunition, then they are once again overstepping the limits of the law and making their own rules. Where does it stop?
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I've been asked every time. I don't look old, but they enter the birthday into the computer to make sure that it's been verified to let the transaction go through.
For my CC, I never show ID. |
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It probably stops when you stop believing that some ATF agent actually TOLD this 18 y/o girl that it was required. She probably heard it from a manager who heard it from his boss, who read it somewhere. Get mad at Wal-Mart, not the ATF; at least on this one issue. There is plenty else to get mad at the ATF about. Last edited by greg36f; 04-09-2012 at 12:48 PM.. |
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I'm 63YO and if wally guy or gal is asking for ID to verify my age, because wally boss told them to because he's a pointed haired idiot, I'm pi$$ed. If BATF TOLD them to VERIFY age, fine for questionable persons but I am, by my sheer looks, far past being a minor.
If they DON'T ask for ID when I use a CC, I'm pissed. What friggin contridiction! |
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Just like how every time you go to buy cigs or booze they're SUPPOSED to card you regardless, as stated above. ATF told her so was probably skewed from 'ATF requires you verify age in order to buy ammo". Just show her the ID and go along with your daily life. Now, if it were 'Show me some Id so i can record your info on this list cause ATF told me so' than THAT would be a problem.
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This thread is here because I thought it was important enough to write about and that maybe it would provoke some intelligent thought on the subject. Sorry you disagree. Isn't that what a "Forum" is for?
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It's illegal to sell handgun ammunition to anyone under 21. How are they supposed to verify that without asking for identification?
Don't give me this "I'm old" BS either, show the ID or gtfo. |
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I was told at Walmart that they check id not just for minors but they didn't want illegal status migrant persons or known gang affiliated persons buying ammo from them. They didn't wasn't to see on the news someone was shot with ammo bought at Wall mart.
If they know you buy ammo all the time they stop checking. They don't keep any info what's the harm? If anything happens it just helps their lawyers. Plus they don't even have a black list it's a psychological thing. "Those who don't want to show id have something to hide" they say. Last edited by woods; 04-09-2012 at 1:01 PM.. |
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I believe that's just in L.A. In city limits only? Don't quote me
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I questioned an assistant store manager and he said it is a corporate policy to log a DOB into the point of sale terminal for ammo purchases. Wal-Mart has had major issues with CADoJ over the years, which is why they don't sell firearms in CA. The idea is to be able to demonstrate that they aren't selling ammo to minors to a CADoJ or BATFE auditor if they have to. I find that when I pay for shotgun shells at the sporting goods register I am asked for ID, but when I check out elsewhere (such as the garden department yesterday morning) I am not. So it's hit and miss. If it bugs you that much, buy elsewhere.
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Asst manager asked for i/d. I asked if I looked under 18yrs old? Asst replied it wasn't relevent. I told him I was 42yrs, clearly over 18yrs. **** I don't even get carded at the bar nor store, but yet I am carded for ammo? Asst replied it was Walmart policy. After I purchased the ammo, I asked what my DOB was? Asst didn't know. Which meant it was done for the camera's more than anything. Update: I called the Chino Hills Walmart. Spoke to a manager "Lisa". She said they are aware it's not a law, she will post a sign saying it's a Walmart policy to request i/d on ammo purchased regardless of age. She also said only 5 employees can sell ammo. They all had to take a class on selling ammo and got certified. Thus, the reason you wait for a clerk to come and not always can the clerk that is nearby sell it.
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Some of you guys need to lighten the hell up. She was just doing her job and asking for ID, which for normal people is a pleasant and simple 3 second exchange. Her boss probably told her that if anyone questions it, just tell them it's the law. But instead of taking a high road, smiling and saying, "Sure, here you go." you decide to be a major ***, drop trou and take a huge stinking crap on the day of a girl that's working for minimum wage and just trying to get through her horrible day of dealing with old geezers with holier than thou attitudes. Seriously, lighten up Francis.
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It's also VISA/MASTERCARD policy that the stores NOT require you to show ID. They are supposed to match signatures ONLY. They can get in trouble and lose their contract with Visa/MC for asking. But they all do.
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I have only been id for pistol calibers which is silly because I was buying them for a friends 9mm rifle .and i buy rifle rounds (.556) for my ar pistol without being id pretty pointless policy lol
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never had to show id for the Wallyworld in Foothill Ranch (South OC). the older gentleman that runs the ammo counter looks at me and says, I am sure you're over 21 and never asks for id. not sure if i should take that as a compliment or is he calling me old?
and OP i think you're getting worked up over nothing. can't fault the youngster for trying to just do her job. whether she is slightly misinformed or not, she means no harm. |
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Wal-Mart asking to see valid ID is their policy to ensure they are complying with Federal law [18 USC 922 (b)(1)] and with the "Responsible Firearms Retailer Program" agreement they made with Mayors Against Illegal Guns.
18 USC 922 (b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver— (1) any firearm or ammunition to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than eighteen years of age, and, if the firearm, or ammunition is other than a shotgun or rifle, or ammunition for a shotgun or rifle, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than twenty-one years of age; RESPONSIBLE FIREARMS RETAILER PARTNERSHIP: A 10-Point Voluntary Code 1. Videotaping the Point of Sale for All Firearms Transactions. Participating retailers will videotape the point-of-sale of all firearms transactions and maintain videos for 6 months to deter illegal purchases and monitor employees. 2. Computerized Crime Gun Trace Log and Alert System. Participating retailers will maintain a computerized log of crime gun traces relating to the retailer. Once the program is in place, if a customer who has a prior trace at that retailer attempts to purchase a firearm, the sale will be electronically flagged. The retailer would have discretion to proceed with the sale or stop the sale. 3. Purchaser Declaration. For sales flagged by the trace alert system, participating retailers will ask purchasers to fill out a declaration indicating that they meet the legal requirement to purchase the firearm. 4. Deterring Fake IDs. Participating retailers will only accept valid federal- or state-issued picture IDs as primary identification. Retailers will utilize additional ID checking mechanisms. 5. Consistent Visible Signage. Participating retailers will post signage created by the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership to alert customers of their legal responsibilities at the point-of-sale. 6. Employee Background Checks. Participating retailers will conduct criminal background checks for all employees selling or handling firearms. 7. Employee Responsibility Training. Participating retailers will participate in an employee responsibility training program focused on deterring illegal purchasers. The Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership will create an online training system based on Wal-Mart's training program. 8. Inventory Checking. Participating retailers will conduct daily and quarterly audits. Guidelines will be based on Wal-Mart's firearms audit check procedures. 9. No Sales Without Background Check Results. Participating retailers would prohibit sales based on "default proceeds," which are permitted by law when the background check has not returned a result within 3 days. 10. Securing Firearms. Participating retailers will maintain firearms kept in customer accessible areas in locked cases or locked to racks. |
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It may be policy, but some at walmart are smart enough to figure out that a 55yr old (my dad) is not under 21 when he buys hand gun ammo. Last time I went to wal mart for 22lr the guy that rung me up remembered me from times past and didn't ask. (I am 19 so it's not totally obvious that I am 18 or over)
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Wow, really? Takes a few seconds to take out your id but even a greater amount of effort to make a stink over someone doing their job. I just bought some ammo from Walmart out here in OC, as soon as I showed the clerk my id he grabbed my ammo, rang me up and I was out the door. Smooth and simple.
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just show id 3 seconds if that no need to get upset or make your and the person helping you day bad over a policy they have. this is how it usually works out for me when i buy ammo at wally world chula vista both of them and the palm ave location.
me: can i get some federal 45acp, and 9mm ammo please. clerk: sure, can i see some id me: sure, here you go. clerk: thank you, and have a nice day shooting stuff. end of story |
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exactly...smooth and simple
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Well I guess I heard my story from an employee not a manager if you got it from manager that's probably more credible I'm thinking that there's a lot of people that are not trained correctly and they just say whatever they have to say to try to try and make sense.
I think they call it big corporation disease good ideas at the top rarely trickle down to the bottom. Policy in some large companies reads like the tax code, long and to confusing for one man to know. I do know that Walmart is forgiven for checking my id as long as they are 5 or more cents a round cheaper than the other place. |
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The San Diego store doesnt even have that many people that can sell ammo. The clerks there know me, I buy ammo all the time, I still get asked for ID. Its just their policy, not a big deal. Shes a nice lady plus the process takes seconds. End of the day im just happy they sell ammo at prices that dont match Big5 |
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I bought some ammo today at wally world and the register popped up a warning to check ID when the ammo was scanned, the cashier looked at me and pressed the go ahead button. I was actually hoping he would ask for ID, man I'm old.
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Bottom line is that Wal-Mart is a private business and they can make you fart into a paper bag to buy ammo if that's their policy. Who ever said life isen't fair sure as hell knew what he was talking about!
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many years ago I used to buy ammo mail order with cash or money orders when I was under 18. People are getting all worked up over the wrong things. Why not get mad at the current artificially high price of ammo or why you can't buy cheap US military surplus ammo at the surplus stores, like back in the day when they didn't sell cheap Chinese junk as military. In some countries they are restricted from buying as much ammo as they can afford. If they want to buy a box, they have to turn in their old box of spent non reloadable Berdan shells. It would be very easy for CA to pass a bunch of anti-ammo tax ammo like CRV on drink containers, require a DROS to buy ammo & to limit how much you can buy a one time.
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First of all Wal-mart is consistently inconsistent with their sellling of ammo and even their signage of laws regarding selling ammo. They all do not have the same sign and the signs they have are confusing. Shotgun rifles and what not. Always bring your I.D. just in case they ask and if they do ask then either present it or walk away. Do not engage the employee with a debate over state or federal laws. Do not ask to speak to a manager or a district manager or email their legal department. You will either get unsatisfactory or no response.
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Do I need to bring my .22 rifle to prove it's not for a handgun? Should i need to show ID to buy .308 for an AR-Pistol ? I have a feeling this "illegal to sell handgun ammo to under 21" to be just as bad as AB962, and about as enforceable.
There's always 9mm carbines...
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Then WalMart policy is inconsistent, at best. I have never been asked for ID in any WalMart in several states, and I do buy a fair amount.
I usually get the ammo from an associate, throw it in my cart, proceed to my grocery shopping, and pay for the ammo on the way out- with my groceries. Never been asked for any ID... |
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