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Old 01-29-2013, 11:03 PM
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Default Shot my Colt 1911 and Beretta 92fs today

I have seen some threads lately about the debate between these two guns (I believe one was about what accessories to stock...)

Let me first say the 1911 is a Colt series 80 mkIV GCNM given to me by my father along with some 20 year old Uzi 45 ACP wad cutter 185 grain ammo. I also picked up some 230 grain ball PMC. Stock mags and CMC power mag 8 rounders.

Beretta 92fs pulled from jail a few days ago and just shot some 115 grain target load stuff from the range.

Now the fun info.... These are my first two handguns (ever) so this is by all means a Cherry Popper review.

These are two totally different pistols there is no way in hell one can compare them and ask "which is better?"

I enjoy the solid feel of the 1911. You pick it up, and you better believe there is some damage about to be done. My first two mags were the stock mags w/ the 185 grain wad cutters my dad gave, proud to say that after 20 years the pistol shot without issue. I admit, I'm not a huge fan of the Eliason sights on it, but I will figure them out.

Enter two CMC mags and PMC 230 ammo. Had a FTF on the last round. I think the mag springs just need to get loose. Very hot round and now the gun is getting dirty. At this point I'm just going back and forth between the two mags and the ammo leaning a bit more towards the 185 grain as far as accuracy is concerned. I stopped after about 80 rounds, the gun was getting really dirty and was starting to choke on the PMCs.

So I put that away and pull out the Beretta. Purchased used, unknown round count. great condition, and didn't even field strip it, went straight from the dealer to the range. 50 rounds no FTF. Accurate even with junk ammo. OK I know someone is going to say something about not field stripping it first...

I will say though..... F.ck these Beretta magazines I'm going to buy a speed loader ASAP. I do like the DA/SA...

Overall, I'm going to narrow down what loads I want to keep stocked up on for the 1911, will probably try some 200 grains next. This is a very intimate gun, you have to know what ammo to feed it. Being that it was a gift from my father, it will probably be a safe queen.... I'm on the hunt for a Sig P220 for my range 45.

For the Beretta, man I really want to try some other ammo but from what I read it will eat anything. I kinda love this gun. You pull the trigger and it goes boom.

One last comment this Is the last time I type a review with a iPad, pardon the bad punctuation and choppy sentence structure!!!

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Old 01-30-2013, 12:33 AM
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Dude, you and I are in pretty much the same situation. My first handgun was my 92FS picked up in late December, and then I bought an RIA 'Tac 1911 picked up not much later.

Summarily your estimations about both guns are the same as mine. The 1911 to me feels like a solid, hefty, damage dealing weapon but you've got to feed it properly with the right 'mags and 'ammo. I love its timeless, heavy duty look and even though it looks huge its slim profile fits perfectly in my hand. I have to admit I'm not used to handling this thing-compared to the 92FS it kicks like a horse and I'm still learning about the 1911 platform; I've only put about 150 rounds through it. The malfunctions I had with it were disappointing but the last 50 rounds saw those problems going away.

The 92Fs is just firepower in a box. It has shot anything that I've fed it and has had zero malfunctions of any kind. It's easy to pick up, easy to handle, easy to shoot, easy to break down, etc, etc, etc. Loading the 'mags by hand is a b**ch but I see it as a ritual I have to go through to consider myself worthy of the gun.

IMO if I never buy another handgun again I won't even think twice about it-I think the 1911 and the 92FS are two of the best guns any shooter can own. I might pick up a higher end 1911 like a Kimber or a Colt but I think the RIA will be able to carve a positive 'rep with me eventually...
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Old 01-30-2013, 7:30 AM
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I have always liked the 92FS, it is without a doubt a solid pistol. The only thing I've ever disliked about it is that it replaced an American classic, and in my opinion didn't merit such.
In any case, both the 92 and the 1911 are among the best handguns in the world.
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Old 01-30-2013, 9:55 AM
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I like them both equally, that is why I have both kinds.
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:32 AM
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I have a feeling I will keep these around for a while! The 1911 for sure will be handed down to my son eventually.

I do like the 18 Round MecGar "option" for any SHTF scenario on the Beretta 92FS...
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:03 AM
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I once had two 1911s, and sold them both.
From the single standpoint of being shooters , they were excellent guns. I ran about 250 rounds through each pistol before coming to the following conclusions.

One, for me the 1911s pinpoint accuracy on a static range is meaningless in defensive fire. Last summer I brought out a DA/SA pistol and my carry 1911 to see how they'd do from the holster shooting Mozambique Drills. At the end of the day, both handguns had the same groups. On the static range I could put one hole into the target w/the 1911, but that wasn't the case drawing under concealment from the holster. If im going to shoot the same way under stress, I may as well have more bullets.

Two, the 1911 is a high-maintenance platform. There's no getting around that, and the nearest gunsmith to me is a 2 hour drive away. Even if things are working copacetic, you still have to make time every week to field strip the gun and clean it. After carrying my 1911 for 3 months IWB, I discovered that John Moses Browning did not "lint proof" his creation, because every week I found oil-matted lint fibers all over the inside of the weapon. If I didn't diligently clean the thing weekly, the gun would dry up and turn into a metal lint trap. Given those experiences, I've sent my 1911s down the road and honestly haven't missed them since.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:05 AM
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I will say though..... F.ck these Beretta magazines I'm going to buy a speed loader ASAP.
Yes, I hate loading those sob's too. They are pretty tough.
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Definitely like the 92FS and 96, even if trigger pull is long and engaging the safety freaks me out, as the hammer clicks forward. I have to get accustomed to this with my Walther PP, but hey, on the range, generally the safety is not engaged. The 1911s that I have fired have been smooth. Not that I am accurate with them, maybe because so much recoil and my trigger pull, but they're nice. The 92FS and 96 that I have fired, though, I have been more accurate than my CZ 75B (in .40 S&W).
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My only issue with the 92FS is the freaking safety/cock-blocker on the goddamn slide. WHY would you put it there! Other than that it's flawless, IMO...
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I own ad carry sometimes on/off duty a Beretta 92G and a 92FS.

Owned several 92's before.

In my opinion it is one the very best full size 9mm pistols and is WAY more feed reliable than ANY 1911.
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I've always been a huge 1911 guy. I traded my dad my first handgun, a 686 6" for his 70 series colt over 20 years ago. I remember when military switched and the 92 was either beloved or hated. I can only imagine if there were internet boards back then. holy crap, it woulda been fugly!! back then it was fought out in the magazines. talk about the stone age. I was like, whatever, it shoots a 9mm. Who cares

I shot it alot, did alot of IPSC limited class when I was younger. It does take a bit to get used to, especially now since DA auto pistols are so much more prevalent. single stack, SA auto, doesn't have the appeal. did a trigger, millet sights, beavertail/hammer, wilson guide rod and bushing, but that's about it.

1911/.45's are great, and I'd argue about as perfect as possible for their intended purpose. even after all these years, I honestly don't think a better solution has been found. But, they take practice and they have their drawbacks. yes, they can be touchy with ammo, so get the feed ramp polished and opened. I forgot the gunsmith term, but it helps, especially with lead and SWC's. Also, due to its blowback type operation, it requires heavier bullets. 185's will be problematic. although an easy fix is to get a set of different weight springs and swap them out to tune for bullet weight/velocity. takes about a minute to do. once done, it will feed better. mine is very reliable.

I ended up scoring a great deal on a sig 229 many years ago, so I've got a 9 as well. but my first love is the .45.
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185's will be problematic. although an easy fix is to get a set of different weight springs and swap them out to tune for bullet weight/velocity. takes about a minute to do. once done, it will feed better. mine is very reliable.
Hmmm...I picked up a box of 185 grain from Wal*Mart with a flat bullet on the top-are you saying this might be problematic?
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A lot of people blame the 1911 platform when oftentimes it's not a design flaw, but a manufacturing error.

Personally I think 1911s need fitting...they aren't plug and play guns like Glocks and plastic fantastics (which, don't get me wrong, are EXCELLENT service and competition pistols).

The 1911 is just a different animal...you skip any part of QC and those tolerances stack right up and bite you in the ***.
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Love my 92fs.....my first love was my kimber... Someone mentioned before...
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Hmmm...I picked up a box of 185 grain from Wal*Mart with a flat bullet on the top-are you saying this might be problematic?
hard to say. the problem with the lighter bullets is the blowback mechanism is usually tuned (i.e. recoil spring) for 230gr ball ammo. standard GI load. I'm not a physicist, but the force (that newtonian thing, one of his laws) required to push a 230 versus a 185 is significant. and so alot of the "problems" that people experience with 1911's, notably stovepipes and jams, are actually easily solvable.

both problems come from the slide not being driven back with enough force to either fully extract the spent brass and/or to fully cycle new round. I get why a 185 is nicer to shoot. less recoil. and you can much get better velocity with 185's and it still will work wonders in defense. in newer guns with beefier frams, as opposed to old GI 1911's, you get more case capacity and can cram a little more powder in there and turn a .45 185 into quite a potent round.

also, bullet shape is important. the 1911 was designed to shoot ball (round nose FMJ) ammo. it'll eat all shapes but for example a SWC isn't typical in alot of autos. the 9's will feed so well because they shoot ball, and even hollow points will have the ball profile.

with target type rounds however, the lighter bullet and lighter charge will lead to cycle problems. it's not the gun. properly tuned, the 185 is a very accurate round.

recoil springs are cheap, and I'd bet fairly easy to still get now. if you want to shoot the 185's, go for it. they should cycle fine, but if there's problems, and you want to shoot 185's, get a lighter spring. but, DO NOT use the lighter spring with 230's.

notice how many spring options you can get. it's mind boggling. and I don't know exactly what spring for what round.

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?newcat...mensionid=9572

get a full length recoil spring guide. will help big time.
http://www.midwayusa.com/find?sortby...ses=In%20Stock

I've shot my 70 series for many years and lots of times I was less than diligent about keeping it clean. and it shot fine. remember, the .45 was used in the jungles in the pacific, in the desert in africa, in the rain and snow and mud of europe. and in all theaters it proved itself and my guess is during battle you don't have alot of time to field strip and clean.

ammo manufacturers have to consider the wide range of firearms and make sure it works in all, but more importantly, doesn't blow up a gun. play around with different rounds and find what works best. then start reloading. it's worth it
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First handgun purchase = M9
Second handgun purchased = Colt 1911

I guess it shouldn't be surprising that two of the most popular handguns are the first two lots of guys own

I've always preferred the "snowman" sights on the m9, i know lots of people don't like them but it's my gun so pfft.

The beretta is easy to shoot, minimal recoil, ammo is cheap compared to the 1911 and will eat any ammo i toss into it. I am in total agreement about getting a speed loader. I purchased one of the uplula's and it certainly makes reloading painless. It's also very handy when bringing new shooters to the range. I've found lots of people get turned off (people with small fingers especially) by the force needed to get the 9th and 10th round in the magazine.

My colt is quickly becoming an even match for my m9. Yes it's a totally different feel then the beretta, but that just makes it special. It's completely stock and I plan on keeping it that way. The sights were dead on from the factory and took only a few dozen rounds to get comfortable with.

It's a hoot to take a new person to the range and have them start out with my 22/45, then once they're comfortable hand them the m9. Once they get use to that I love watching their faces when they take their first shot with the 1911. From plink, to thwap, to POWW.

When I'm carrying at home I switch between my m9 and 1911. I have faith in both that they will perform if/when needed. Both are loaded with JHP and in condition 1 and two respectively. I probably have 1000 rounds through each at this point and am very pleased with both.
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