Stanislaus

[followingtherules]

Originally Posted by G17GUY

How recent was the email? Can you post it?

This change is recent and there are reports of the policy change. You can always call the sheriff office and ask if you Don't believe it.

Here is the body of the email I received this morning (1/8/11):

Turlock Madison Society Chapter News Item:

A Madison member has reported that the Stanislaus County Sheriff’s Office,
when called, no longer stated a requirement for a Turlock CCW applicant to apply first at the Turlock Police Department. If you are in process at TPD, you may be able, once again, to apply directly to the SO and avoid wasting your time and money with a possible TPD rejection.

Of course, one day AFTER I applied at Turlock PD. :-(

Jason

[wildhawker]

I highly recommend withdrawing your application at TPD and submitting directly to the Sheriff.

-Brandon

Originally Posted by followingtherules

Here is the body of the email I received this morning (1/8/11):

Of course, one day AFTER I applied at Turlock PD. :-(

Jason

[Mammoth]

Originally Posted by followingtherules

Of course, one day AFTER I applied at Turlock PD. :-(

Jason

I think we tried to warn you.

[cltitus]

Correct me if I'm wrong aren't you only suppose to go through local PD's if there isn't a sheriff office within your location or if the local PD is endorsing you to help you get it.

I.E. Domestic violence MPD called and suggests that said person should apply for CCW to help secure life of said name victim.

please correct this if I'm way off this is just speculating!

[The Geologist]

Confirmed, Stanislaus County Sheriff is accepting applications without any regard as to which City/Town in the County you reside. Only concerned if you are a Stanislaus County resident. My appointment was scheduled today.

[wildhawker]

Originally Posted by cltitus

Correct me if I'm wrong aren't you only suppose to go through local PD's if there isn't a sheriff office within your location or if the local PD is endorsing you to help you get it.

I.E. Domestic violence MPD called and suggests that said person should apply for CCW to help secure life of said name victim.

please correct this if I'm way off this is just speculating!

Sheriffs must accept all applications of county residents (in or outside of cities), and also applications for 90-day business permits.

[wildhawker]

Originally Posted by The Geologist

Confirmed, Stanislaus County Sheriff is accepting applications without any regard as to which City/Town in the County you reside. Only concerned if you are a Stanislaus County resident. My appointment was scheduled today.

Excellent... on to phase 2...

[Drawman]

I'm confused as to the timing of the class completion. I am scheduled next month for a CCW class. Do I go ahead and apply for CCW before? or after I complete the class?

[wildhawker]

Our instructions are to submit the application and initial local fees *only*.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by wildhawker

Excellent... on to phase 2...

How many "phases" between "Good Cause statements available" and "**TIME TO APPLY**" ?

[wildhawker]

Originally Posted by Paladin

How many "phases" between "Good Cause statements available" and "**TIME TO APPLY**" ?

That's entirely area (and mission)-specific. Note that we already asked people to apply - now we're moving forward from there.

[Hdawg]

Originally Posted by Drawman

I'm confused as to the timing of the class completion. I am scheduled next month for a CCW class. Do I go ahead and apply for CCW before? or after I complete the class?

When I called for an appointment, I was told I couldn't get one until I completed the training.

[wildhawker]

Originally Posted by Hdawg

When I called for an appointment, I was told I couldn't get one until I completed the training.

Please make sure to document this in detail. I'll be following up soon.

[Veggie]

My Uncle and his friend Lorne are the heads of the Turlock Chapter of the Madison Society. I can confirm the report of the Sheriff not requiring denial from TPD.

I will be applying within next two to three weeks most likely.

[Hdawg]

Originally Posted by wildhawker

Please make sure to document this in detail. I'll be following up soon.

Brandon, you should have an email with all the details.

-Harvey

[G17GUY]

Originally Posted by Hdawg

When I called for an appointment, I was told I couldn't get one until I completed the training.

You are not the only one. I took the ccw class at wts recently and one guy in the class was told by Connie he needed his training prior to making an appointment.

[G17GUY]

The other thing I want to mention is the Good Cause statement. Many people seem to not understand the lowest acceptable standard.

Originally Posted by Standard

Yes, my only GC was "personal protection outside of the home".

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...=1#post5631430

Lets not over think the issue. A good cause statement of "personal protection outside of the home" seems to be adequate.

[Drawman]

ok, another question...on the Stan Co Sheriff Dept information sheet, it has 3 items:
1. your gun is registered in current DOJ system
2. A copy of the applicable documents is/are attached
3. Able to answer questions

in #2, what are the "applicable documents"? the documents showing my firearms are registered with DOJ?

[Kid Stanislaus]

This could get really sticky.

[wildhawker]

Originally Posted by Drawman

ok, another question...on the Stan Co Sheriff Dept information sheet, it has 3 items:
1. your gun is registered in current DOJ system
2. A copy of the applicable documents is/are attached
3. Able to answer questions

in #2, what are the "applicable documents"? the documents showing my firearms are registered with DOJ?

The only form you need is the completed standard application.

Originally Posted by Kid Stanislaus

This could get really sticky.

Yes. I'd hate to be the Sheriff and have to defend the unlawful policies.

[Kid Stanislaus]

I'd hate to get down there tomorrow morning and be told I didn't have some obscure "applicable documents".

[Drawman]

Originally Posted by wildhawker

The only form you need is the completed standard application.



Yes. I'd hate to be the Sheriff and have to defend the unlawful policies.

Thanks for the help

[wildhawker]

Originally Posted by Kid Stanislaus

I'd hate to get down there tomorrow morning and be told I didn't have some obscure "applicable documents".

You can call them ahead of time and ask. If they ask for more than the standard application, document the exact nature of the conversation and who it was with.

[Kid Stanislaus]

I dropped my application off today and got fingerprinted, everything went smoothly. Connie seems to really know what she's doing and she's a really friendly gal. I ponied up the $115 and she seemed pleased to take it!

[Drawman]

Originally Posted by Hdawg

When I called for an appointment, I was told I couldn't get one until I completed the training.

For further info:

1-24-11, in and about 3:10 pm I called to make an appointment to submit my application:
Connie is indeed friendly, she asked my full name and phone number, She stated when she returned my call, I need to have the guns I wished to carry, name, model and serial number. She then asked if I had completed the required training.....when I answerd my class was next month, she informed me I was required to complete the training prior to appying.
I said ok, thank you very much.

I also heard some guys talking in a gun shop..."Calguns is causing issues, trying to force the SO to issue permits to those who don't even own a gun"
just what I heard......

[wildhawker]

Glad you're hearing that. It means we must be doing something right.

Yes, you should not have to own a gun to get a permit. That said, we're not fighting that battle yet. Sheriff Christianson has a very unlawful policy that we'll litigate over if he chooses to not remedy it.

-Brandon

Originally Posted by Drawman

For further info:

1-24-11, in and about 3:10 pm I called to make an appointment to submit my application:
Connie is indeed friendly, she asked my full name and phone number, She stated when she returned my call, I need to have the guns I wished to carry, name, model and serial number. She then asked if I had completed the required training.....when I answerd my class was next month, she informed me I was required to complete the training prior to appying.
I said ok, thank you very much.

I also heard some guys talking in a gun shop..."Calguns is causing issues, trying to force the SO to issue permits to those who don't even own a gun"
just what I heard......

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by wildhawker

Yes, you should not have to own a gun to get a permit.

What?! ! ! Next thing you'll be saying people should be able to get a Drivers License w/o owning a car. Those Calguns people are CRAZY!

[zum]

Originally Posted by Paladin

So what is the "official" status of Stanislaus acc to CGF: "time to apply" or wait because the Right People still in discussions w/the SO?

Originally Posted by wildhawker

We suggest holding tight until our efforts resolve.

-Brandon

so are we still in a holding pattern?

because i would like to start the process myself

[wildhawker]

Originally Posted by zum

so are we still in a holding pattern?

because i would like to start the process myself

If you want to get a CCW, you can, though you'll have to deal with the current unlawful policies along the way.

[zum]

Originally Posted by wildhawker

If you want to get a CCW, you can, though you'll have to deal with the current unlawful policies along the way.

are you at liberty to share any "unlawful policies" people are having to deal with in applying in Stanislaus county?

and would you prefer i wait in applying, pending the outcome of any future litigation filed against Stanislaus in a attempt to correct any " unlawful polices"

[wildhawker]

Originally Posted by zum

are you at liberty to share any "unlawful policies" people are having to deal with in applying in Stanislaus county?

and would you prefer i wait in applying, pending the outcome of any future litigation filed against Stanislaus in a attempt to correct any " unlawful polices"

It's really up to you at this point. If you want a ccw ASAP, then apply as per their direction. If you want a ccw, albeit a longer process, but also want to force them to follow the law, then it's a different track.

A few unlawful policies:

* Requiring training prior to application
* Requiring fees in excess of statutory caps
* http://calgunsfoundation.org/downloa...Stanislaus.pdf

[Kid Stanislaus]

Originally Posted by wildhawker

It's really up to you at this point. If you want a ccw ASAP, then apply as per their direction. If you want a ccw, albeit a longer process, but also want to force them to follow the law, then it's a different track.

A few unlawful policies:

* Requiring training prior to application
* Requiring fees in excess of statutory caps
* http://calgunsfoundation.org/downloa...Stanislaus.pdf

When its all settled they'll be issuing refunds.

[Drawman]

Originally Posted by wildhawker

Glad you're hearing that. It means we must be doing something right.

Yes, you should not have to own a gun to get a permit. That said, we're not fighting that battle yet. Sheriff Christianson has a very unlawful policy that we'll litigate over if he chooses to not remedy it.

-Brandon

Well. hopefully things will run smoother after I have the training. We will see....
If their policies change in the mean time, I can always call back.

[G17GUY]

Appointments to turn in an application are being scheduled into march.

Can they make someone that wants to turn an application in now, wait a month?

[Kid Stanislaus]

Originally Posted by G17GUY

Appointments to turn in an application are being scheduled into march. Can they make someone that wants to turn an application in now, wait a month?

You got any ideas on how to stop them?

[wildhawker]

Originally Posted by G17GUY

Appointments to turn in an application are being scheduled into march.

Can they make someone that wants to turn an application in now, wait a month?

This is an issue we're working on carefully.

[tabrisnet]

I don't know if their scheduling is legitimate or not... but it could be. What if they really don't have the department resources to take more than X apps/day ? Claiming that limitation of resources is unconstitutional is asking for human law to violate physical laws. Something I'd love to see in the courts, if only to watch the judge as he repeals the laws of thermodynamics.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by wildhawker

It's really up to you at this point. If you want a ccw ASAP, then apply as per their direction. If you want a ccw, albeit a longer process, but also want to force them to follow the law, then it's a different track.

Option #2, that's the track I want to be on (for Alameda Co.).

Sure it will be GREAT to legally carry, but what I really want is to change this state (or at least my county). There are MANY others in my county who actually need a CCW, and I want to do my part so that they (along w/myself) can get one.

It is only when law-abiding folks in high crime urban and ghetto areas can legally carry guns for self-defense that BGs will be on notice that the sheep now have fangs. (we need a new smilie for that!)

[rivraton]

Originally Posted by Paladin

It is only when law-abiding folks in high crime urban and ghetto areas can legally carry guns for self-defense that BGs will be on notice that the sheep now have fangs. (we need a new smilie for that!)

[wildhawker]

Originally Posted by tabrisnet

I don't know if their scheduling is legitimate or not... but it could be. What if they really don't have the department resources to take more than X apps/day ? Claiming that limitation of resources is unconstitutional is asking for human law to violate physical laws. Something I'd love to see in the courts, if only to watch the judge as he repeals the laws of thermodynamics.

The options will be:

1. Comply with the law. If you can't maintain a crappy policy, then policy gets simplified to accomodate. Additional hires may also factor.
2. Get sued. A Federal judge will say, "Do this now".

Both mean that carry licensing will likely become a "we don't want it anymore" issue for LEAs unless they can accept an e.g. Iowa-style shall-issue system.