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Old 08-16-2010, 8:39 PM
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Default RSA trigger SUCKS! Made my PSL a un-shootable!

Seriously pissed off here about this! Here is the story as posted over at AK files...
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Ok! I'm having some trouble with the RSA group installed in my PSL. Trigger was box stock when I put it in. From the very first round the weapon malfunctioned. As the bolt is thrust back by the fired rounds gasses it hangs up and stops about 1/4 inch away from being all the way back, ie its just about kissing the rear trunion. The only way to dislodge the bolt and carrier are to either A: beat the weapon on its buttstock until the bolt flies forward or B: Manually depress the hammer as it sits under the bolt/carrier. As soon as I push down on the hammer with a screw driver it drops a little and the bolt flies forward. Obviously the bolt/carrier is getting hung up on the trigger.
So I inspected the trigger to see if there were any obvious sings of wear that may cause this. Nothing. All the screws were in proper place and there were no sharp/flat edges for it to hang on. Im at an utter loss. I tried adjusting all the screws in various configurations and after nearly 200 rounds there was still no solution.
If you have any words of wisdom that may shed light on my problem please state them. Otherwise I will install a G2 group in the weapon. I have one in my converted Saiga and it has worked without fail for many, many rounds.
Anybody got anything?

EDIT: What a day! My PSL wont shoot worth a damn because of the high-speed trigger I paid too much for, and my boss wont accept the transfer on a Draco. WTF, over.

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Anybody got anything?
I got a fridge full of beer.
At least after all the beer, you won't be worried about your AK anymore...
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Make sure that it's adjusted so that the disconnector is holding the hammer back.
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Old 08-16-2010, 10:08 PM
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Done and done. I manipulated every screw in it to try to get it to work, no dice.
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Done and done. I manipulated every screw in it to try to get it to work, no dice.
With most adjustable triggers, there's a VERY specific order that you have to follow.
If you do the adjustments out of order, they don't work.

In general, set the overtravel first, then the takeup, then the disconnector engagement last.
Takeup effects disconnector engagement so if you do it out of order, you have to start all over from the beginning again.
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Old 08-16-2010, 10:33 PM
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Wow, that is a lot of effort for what is a big AK. I see the need for this on a 1000 meter gun, but on an AK not so much.
I like AK's because they are reliable. A complicated trigger runs against that philosophy. I will try the G2, and if the result is the same I will try tuning this trigger up. I'm still mad though.
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Dude you should have brought it by the shop when I was still down there. I could have got that running reliably in less than an hour.
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Wow, that is a lot of effort for what is a big AK. I see the need for this on a 1000 meter gun, but on an AK not so much.
ok, so you don't want your trigger to work?
What are you complaining about then?

If you have an adjustable trigger, you need to adjust it to function.
The adjustability that allows for a better trigger also allows you to mis-adjust it to the point that it won't even work at all.
This is where you are at right now.
If it's too complex for you to feel comfortable adjusting, then maybe you should not have an adjustable trigger.
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this and the $80 price tag are why rsa's aren't popular on aks. the weapon was designed for simplicity. the g2 is far from perfect but it's pretty much plug and play.
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this and the $80 price tag are why rsa's aren't popular on aks. the weapon was designed for simplicity. the g2 is far from perfect but it's pretty much plug and play.
I see that now. I was influenced by the population of PSL owners that love their RSA FCG's. To me, now that I have experienced it, it takes away from the weapon. A more complex FCG is inherently more unreliable. Take away absolute reliability and the AK is just barely a better infantry rifle than the 16.
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Take away absolute reliability and the AK is just barely a better infantry rifle than the 16.
Oh come on, the SU-16 isn't really an infantry rifle.
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Take away absolute reliability and the AK is just barely a better infantry rifle than the 16.


I hate to break it to you, but even when the AK is reliabile, an SU-16 is still a better rifle.
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Seriously pissed off here about this! Here is the story as posted over at AK files...

Anybody got anything?

EDIT: What a day! My PSL wont shoot worth a damn because of the high-speed trigger I paid too much for, and my boss wont accept the transfer on a Draco. WTF, over.
Well, nothing useful I'm afraid. I dropped an RSA in mine right off the bat. I had to do a little bit of dremel grinding on the safety to allow it to pass, but other than that, it's worked flawlessly.
Sorry to hear you're having problem.
Also, did you use a retention plate or put a sheperd's crook back in? If you didn't use the plate, it's possible you might have made an error in reinstalling the crook and it's causing your hang up?
(I used the plate)

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Well, nothing useful I'm afraid. I dropped an RSA in mine right off the bat. I had to do a little bit of dremel grinding on the safety to allow it to pass, but other than that, it's worked flawlessly.
Sorry to hear you're having problem.
Also, did you use a retention plate or put a sheperd's crook back in? If you didn't use the plate, it's possible you might have made an error in reinstalling the crook and it's causing your hang up?
(I used the plate)

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Yeah, if you look on their site they list a couple extra parts as well as dremeling instructions.

edit: if the OP still can't get it running I'll take it for my PSL

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My PSL is stock with only a Harris Bipod BRM and a upgraded scope from Kalinka 8x...It is a champ and as I like to say will give "precision" rifles a run for the money. As a whole do not think this is a MOA everyday. It is normally around 2-4 MOA Mine gets less than that but man I got lucky I have a sweet shooting PSL and this rifle never gets sold...EVER.
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I hate to break it to you, but even when the AK is reliabile, an SU-16 is still a better rifle.
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My PSL is stock with only a Harris Bipod BRM and a upgraded scope from Kalinka 8x...It is a champ and as I like to say will give "precision" rifles a run for the money. As a whole do not think this is a MOA everyday. It is normally around 2-4 MOA Mine gets less than that but man I got lucky I have a sweet shooting PSL and this rifle never gets sold...EVER.

4moa w/ a scope? im not trying to be a internet smartass, but i dont think that is much of a run for any precision rifle's money... my last 4 "precision" rifles have been sub moa.... ymmv. and i do want to get a psl one of these days...

ps- OP, hope you figger out yer prollems with that trigger.

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My PSL is stock with only a Harris Bipod BRM and a upgraded scope from Kalinka 8x...It is a champ and as I like to say

will give "precision" rifles a run for the money.


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