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Old 07-01-2011, 8:12 PM
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Default National CCW through HR218/LEOSA summary thread

For those of you who don’t want to read through the epic thread that caused this, here is the short version.

(if you want to read the full 2000 or so post thread you can go here: )

Back in 2009 a discussion on the Law Enforcement Safety Act HR218 prompted an idea:

What if regular law abiding people could be considered law enforcement officers under HR218 and have the same ability to carry concealed firearms across state lines?

For info on HR218 (the LEOSA) please read this document:

Initially, the idea was to look for a state which had an existing class of law enforcement officer which had statutory powers of arrest, did not have POST requirements, and did not have prohibitions against the employment of non residents as law enforcement officers.

While a few states did have potential, we eventually decided that the best course of action was to draft model legislation which created a category of law enforcement officer with carefully tailored attributes to minimize legal exposure to the issuing state, restrain any ‘cowboy’ behavior by participants, and effectively use federal law to grant universal CCW and pre-emption of state and local restrictions on the possession and carey of firearms.

After extensive research and outreach (about a year worth actually) we decided that Montana was the ideal state for our purposes. So, a very talented lawyer (hat tip to Jay) drafted a rather masterful bit of model legislation.

You can see the model legislation here:

At this point, to properly structure our activities we have incorporated the New Promethean Initiative, as a non profit public benefit corporation for the advancement of human rights and civil liberties (we will be filing for 501c3 status on Tuesday 7/5/2011). By the time we’re done The cost of incorporating and setting everything us should total about 1.4K

To make this happen, we need to cover the ‘shoe leather’ costs ($3000) involved in running around, getting feedback on the ground in Montana, learning of specific concerns from legislators, and the 2nd amendment community which will allow us to adjust the model legislation to have the best possible chance of introduction and adoption.

So, We’re passing the hat, We have already raised about 2K, and need to raise another 2.4K to get this fully underway.

If this is a project you'd like to support, we can receive paypal donations at

and we can receive checks at:

New Promethean Initiative
P.O. Box 811353
Los Angeles CA 90081

Please note, We are not yet a 501c3 organization, but we expect to be one by the end of fiscal 2011. If we are granted 501c3 status, donations made before 501c3 status was granted will become retroactively tax deductible.

Thank You

Please feel free to share this and spread the word, and if you have any questions, please let me know so I can answer them and update this accordingly.

---- Summary Paragraph work in progress for cross posting ----

We are working on a project that uses the Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act (HR218) in conjunction with Montana state law to create an alternative framework that provides nation wide concealed carry in compliance with existing Federal law.

This will be accomplished through model legislation which grants extremely limited statutory powers of arrest to a new category of law enforcement officer. The model legislation removes barriers which limit law enforcement status to state residents, and addresses a number of minor employment and regulatory issues in a comprehensive manner. Ultimately, allowing those U.S. citizens who are able to pass a NICS background check to be able to legally keep and bear concealed firearms in any US state or territory..

Make no mistake, the statutory powers of arrest only will exist under the supervision of a full time officer and while serving a Warrant issued by a judge... I.e. They legally exist, but only in such extremely limited circumstances that from a practical standpoint it will never come up.

There will be No 'playing cop', No badges will be issued (just photo ID) and any miss-use or abuse of credentials will be grounds for immediate revocation.

This Project will not alter or infringe in any way upon the existing Montana CCW permitting system.

The model legislation can be viewed here:

The calguns summary thread can be found here:
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