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Old 08-14-2019, 1:19 PM
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At 300 yards those differences are tiny. If you're competing in matches where groups are measured and a tenth of an inch is meaningful, fine. Otherwise it's not worth buying a more expensive rifle than the one on sale.
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Old 08-14-2019, 2:12 PM
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The Howa M1500 .308 that is currently listed on Turners is in the catalog.
https://www.legacysports.com/wp-cont...es.pdf#page=16

Part # HGR73102.

The same gun in a 6.5 Creedmore will be HGR72502 for the black Hogue stock and a 24" Heavy Barrel.
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Old 08-14-2019, 4:40 PM
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Meaningless because it isn't on sale.
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Old 08-14-2019, 4:47 PM
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Higher BC bullets moving faster are more intrinsically accurate at all distances.
Not really "more accurate", just less likely to be influenced by the wind at further distances. As sigstroker said, within 300yds the gain is negligible. Beyond NRA Midrange (600yds) the gains are more apparent.
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Old 08-14-2019, 5:08 PM
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Not really "more accurate", just less likely to be influenced by the wind at further distances. As sigstroker said, within 300yds the gain is negligible. Beyond NRA Midrange (600yds) the gains are more apparent.
Also know as “more accurate.” Wind variability/heterogeneity is an unavoidable part of shooting. A bullet that minimizes those effects is more accurate, period. And that difference in accuracy is basically constant when expressed as an angle. Whether or not that matters to you depends on the size of the target you want to hit. It could easily be the difference between a ten and an X even within 300 yards.
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Old 08-14-2019, 11:51 PM
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This would be a NO-BRAINER for me. If I didn't already have a Remington 700 SPS AAC-SD I would snag one of those Howas up in a heartbeat for $299.86 (they're out now, but the sale goes through 9/19/19).

I'd start shooting with some surplus Lake City or similar M80 @ $.49/rd until I got the hang of it, then I'd get some higher-end factory ammo like Federal Premium Sierra Match King Gold Medal 168gr BTHP for $.90/rd.

Like I said, no-brainer.
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Old 08-15-2019, 7:28 AM
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The money saved NOT buying a 700 design is lost once you go chassis shopping.
There are so many more options for 700's than all other actions combined that 700 chassis have become a commodity and the market has lowered the price on them.
Chassis systems for non-700's fetch a premium and the selection is much more limited.
Mayyybee. I can get the latest MDT LSS off of optics planet with the coupons around. Money saved! Or, I can get the older XLR Element on optics planet ready to go for cheap as well, or from XLR directly. I'm eyeing $1500-$1800 total for this. $300 rifle, $500 chassis, rest on glass, rings, mount; assuming I dont go crazy on the chassis stocks.

Gen 2 XLR Element can be had for $476 with stock and grip on XLR's site. Which is what I'm leaning towards. Contemplating getting the evolution for $750 all in. MDT looks great, but only 399/499 just for the chassis plus stock, that's a bit much as well since their stocks are $300+ for the good stuff. Gen 3 Element is going for $600 for everything.

But you're right about the 700 chassis though, opticsplanet has them cheaper out of the gate, but that's ok.


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Turner's is owned by the same group of investors as Legacy Sports.
Legacy Sports is the company that imports Howa.

http://www.wonews.com/t-SCUpdateNews...er-061109.aspx

You see stuff sold by Turners that's not cataloged specifically on the Howa website or offered to other distributors so that other shops can not compete with turners.
Good to know

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Old 08-15-2019, 12:12 PM
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If you're still shooting 300 yards, you don't need thousand dollar glass. It doesn't hurt, but not necessary unless you're shooting in bullseye competition of some sort.
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:56 PM
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I got the older Vortex Viper PST Gen 2 for $800. I like to just buy once and should I travel to LA for a weekend, that would work well.
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should I travel to LA for a weekend, that would work well.
Or Camp Pendleton for Santa Margarita Gun Club's Midrange or Longrange events.
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Old 08-15-2019, 4:39 PM
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https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...d.php?t=257865

Unless you are opposed to th drive ordecided against the Remington 700, this is the guy I bought mine from in the High Desert, and I paid quite a bit more. He is closing his doors and retiring. $540 for an spsv. If not for you somebody should snatch it up. If I hadn't moved I'd be buying most of them up but by the time I ship any of them I can just go to the store and buy it.
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So you are throwing out 95% of reality to select the 5% of reality where you are actually right?
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Old 08-15-2019, 5:03 PM
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Already got the Howa. Good deal for those browsing though.
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