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2013 CA AB 48 - Skinner/Ammiano, Magazines // A - PS hearing April 2
AB 48 - http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...=201320140AB48
... and new-style link, http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...=201320140AB48 (The text is interesting, but the whole set of info is even MORE interesting.) See also the Beginner's guide to reading bills and http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/...introduced.pdf
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"The bill would revise the definition of “large-capacity magazine” to mean any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, including a readily restorable, as defined, disassembled large-capacity magazine, and an oversize magazine body that appears to hold in excess of 10 rounds. The bill would make related, conforming changes. By creating a new crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program."
Even the look of a 30 round mag (that is actually blocked to 10) is enough for the antis to poop in their panties.
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(b)*Subdivision (a) does not apply to the possession of a readily restorable disassembled large-capacity magazine or an oversize magazine body that has been permanently altered so that the magazine cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds by a person who lawfully possessed the magazine prior to January 1, 2014
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This bill makes people's legally possessed property illegal, and doesn't provide compensation.
This bill is unconstitutional. It also makes it so we have to transfer ammo at a gun dealer, and makes it so police have to take a report every time a target shooter buys ammo for the weekend. This bill is a complete waste of LEO time and money, and is unconstitutional.
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Constructive possession of disassembled high capacity magazines.
Epic.
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It will be interesting to see what arbitrary number they pick for reporting of the sale. I'm guessing 500. |
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No. Refer to the original post and read the bill. We need to keep our facts straight.
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There's a reason there is a link to the bill text. Take the time to understand as much as you can. Ask questions like Quote:
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No; the bill does not ban possession.
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Good thing they didn't think to add the 50 round magazines that are made from shark fin. This would've been disastrous as they're selling like hot cakes right now.
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I guess they will have to outlaw all steel tubing, wouldn't want someone to make their own! Take a useless law, one that very few are ever prosecuted for, and make it more useless...
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Raise your game, folks.
Threads about bills should not be a long gripe session. Try something like Eugene Volokh - http://www.volokh.com/2012/12/26/up-...rget-shooting/ Quote:
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(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to the possession of a readily restorable disassembled large-capacity magazine or an oversize magazine body that has been permanently altered so that the magazine cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds by a person who lawfully possessed the magazine prior to January 1, 2014.
Correct me if I'm wrong but this bill now makes manufacture,import and sale a misdemnor. As before it was a felony. It looks like if you had your rebulid kit and 10/30 before 1-1-2014 then it gets grandfathered. Buying ammo after the law takes effect will be a pain in the arse because it looks like you won't be able to buy online anymore. The law basically says it has to be a ftf transaction at a reseller. This law is defacto ammo registration. Say if you only had long guns and bought ammo for such now the state knows you have a long gun. This bill would require anyone in the state, prior to selling, transferring, or otherwise furnishing ammunition to an individual or business entity in this state or any other state to require proper identification, as prescribed, to be an authorized firearms dealer, and to report the sales to the Department of Justice. An individual who fails to make the required report or who knowingly makes a report with false or fictitious information would be guilty of a misdemeanor, as specified. By creating a new crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program. |
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Protectionist legislation for gun retailers, from liberals no less. Who would have thought?
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This bill was likely constructed by a staff of advisors tasked to read this forum.
Illustrating all the shortcomings that are in this legislation as it's currently written gives them a roadmap to revise it. Should it pass, it will get jammed up in court by CGF and other entities. Let's not fight the grabbers' battle for them. Run silent, run deep, folks.
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http://nancyskinnerforassembly.com/
http://nancyskinnerforassembly.com/i...neighborhoods/ Safe Neighborhoods We need to do more to prevent gun violence. For example, we can require ballistic fingerprinting and integrated locks on all handguns sold in California. We need to fund more community-based policing so that police can connect with the community where they serve. This will provide officers with a better understanding of the issues in that community, and the social services available to address their needs. We need to reform our criminal statues. We should Restore protections to our children which would prevent them from being prosecuted as adults; Eliminate the three strikes rule by putting the issue back on the ballot; Emphasize rehabilitation for first-time and minor offense offenders; and Provide good support services to parolees to help them secure jobs and housing when they have finished serving their sentences. The key to violence and crime prevention is education. Study after study shows that crime levels will drop if we invest in quality education from pre-school through college, make educational opportunities available and accessible to our children, and provide a safety net for youth and families in crisis. Be Sociable, Share! http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Nancy_Skinner 2010 In 2010, Skinner raised $860,336 in contributions. [11] Her four largest contributors were: Donor Amount Electrical Workers Local 302 $15,600 California State Council Of Service Employees $15,000 AT&T $13,800 State Building & Construction Trades Council Of California $11,800 2008 2008 campaign banner Below are Skinner's top 5 campaign contributors in the 2008 election:[12] Contributor 2008 total CA Medical Assoc $10,800 Northern CA Carpenters Regional Council $10,800 Electrical Workers Local 595 $9,700 California Federation of Teachers $8,200 Electrical Workers Local 302 $7,200
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http://www.tomammiano.com/
Universal Health Care. Tom authored and passed law to make San Francisco the first city in American to provide universal health care access. Great Schools. Sponsored and helped pass “Great Schools” Charter Amendment adding $300 million to SF public schools. Living Wage. Won battle to dramatically increase salaries for lowest-paid city employees and contract workers. Mission Housing. Led the fight to protect Mission housing, nonprofits and artists from profit-hungry live-work developers. Children’s Fund. Established the fund that provides millions annually to subsidize child care, health and social services for SF youth. Police Reform. Authored measures to increase police accountability and strengthen the Office of Citizen’s Complaints. Domestic Partners. Passed pioneering law to extend marriage privileges to domestic partners in the City. District Elections. Sponsored & helped pass Charter Amendment to ensure neighborhood accountability and representation at City Hall. Gang Prevention Spearheaded the establishment of outreach and gang-prevention programs for at-risk youth. Pedestrian Safety. Pushed the city to install new stop signs, crosswalks, and speed bumps in the district to make it safe for pedestrians. Bilingual Services. Won funding for Spanish-speaking social workers for district health clinic. Mission Safety. Secured police officers devoted entirely to increasing public safety in the Mission and the lower 24th Street neighborhood. Immigrant Housing. Created rental funding program to protect immigrants who lose federal subsidies for public housing. New Citizens. Began program to assist immigrants who wish to become US citizens. Nonprofit Assistance. Acquired funding to improve non-profit arts organizations and save them from eviction. Affordable Housing. Created a fund to assist first-time home buyers and develop housing available to all the City’s residents. Eviction Protection. Tripled the amount landlords must pay to relocate evicted tenants. Political Reform. Wrote landmark campaign finance reform legislation to curb the influence of special interests and contractors on local elections. Solar Energy. Led successful campaign to fund renewable energy installations and energy conservation improvements for both the public and the private sector. MUNI & Transit. Secured over $780 million in new funding for SF public transportation. Child Abuse. Established the Work Group to End Youth Exploitation and worked with DPH to create safe house for young victims of sexual exploitation. http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Tom_Ammiano 2010 In 2010, Ammiano raised $293,960 in contributions. [16] His four largest contributors were: Donor Amount California Teachers Association $15,600 Operating Engineers Local 3 $11,700 Service Employees Local 1021 $7,800 District Council Of Ironworkers $7,800 2008 Below are Ammiano's top 5 campaign contributors in the 2008 election:[17] Contributor 2008 total California Nurses Association $14,400 California State Council of Service Employees $14,400 California Teachers Association $14,400 Operating Engineers Local 3 $14,400 CA State Pipe Trades Council $10,800
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If this post: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...1&postcount=27 and Feinstein's proposal doesn't help recruit folks to join gun rights groups then nothing will.
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California AB 48 - No Bullets 4 U - To be introduced on Monday
The Berkeley Daily Planet
Friday January 04, 2013 - 1000 AM Editor's note: As this issue is published, we're delighted to learn that on Monday a new bill for the California legislature which does exactly what we've asked in today's editorial will be introduced, as described in the following press release: OAKLAND, CA – To curb gun violence, mass shootings and the stockpiling of ammunition, State Assemblymember Nancy Skinner (D-Berkeley) and supporters will unveil legislation, AB 48, to establish oversight of California’s ammunition marketplace. “When will deadly ammunition be viewed as a risk to public safety?” Skinner said. “If common cold medicines, alcohol and tobacco are regulated for their risk to public health and safety, why isn’t ammunition? Assembly Bill 48 will place boundaries on the bullets that have ravaged our communities.” Assemblymember Skinner and supporters will announce legislation, AB 48, to regulate and tighten ammunition sales in California and ban high-capacity magazines. This bill will: •Regulate all ammunition sales, •Require ammunition purchasers to show identification, •Require ammunition sellers to be licensed dealers, •Require ammunition sellers to report sales to the Department of Justice, •Ban kits to convert ammunition clips into high-capacity magazines. Read the rest: http://berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue...ed-on-Monday--
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Deadly ammunition as supposed to non deadly ammunition? And comparing bullets to cold medicine? Wow. Retards up there in Berkley.
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Well, if it passes, it will weed out all the hoarders, paranoid delusionists, and nut cases, and I might actualy be able to go into the store and buy a friggin box of ammo. **** it, I'm gonna support the damn thing.
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So you can only buy ammo from actual gun shops, not like WalMart or KMart, and we're going to make the state even MORE broke by requiring a crap ton of paperwork to be processed on top of what we already have, backing the DoJ up more?
What are these guys smoking? Can I have some? And I foresee a LOT of people going out of state to buy ammo. |
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Actually, no, if it does anything it'll jack up the prices because you'd need to be an FFL to sell it, and effectively cut out places like Wally World.
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To late, 1000 rounds of 223 is already $1000.
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