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Great Training for Beginners Only. | 88 | 8.33% | |
Great Training Beginner and Advanced. | 696 | 65.85% | |
The Quality of Training is Going Down Hill. | 24 | 2.27% | |
I paid too much for my Membership! | 47 | 4.45% | |
They will go out of business this year! | 31 | 2.93% | |
Don't want anything to do with them! | 171 | 16.18% | |
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Attend the following Front Sight Nevada courses free of charge and as often as you wish and as many times as you wish: Two Day Defensive Handgun; Two Day Tactical Shotgun; Two Day Practical Rifle; Four Day Defensive Handgun; Four Day Tactical Shotgun; Four Day Practical Rifle. I don't mind parting with one if you really need it rather than simply having a certificate. Not trying to undermine anyone else who is selling these, but figure why buy anything if someone will give you one for free. Thanks for all of the replies to everyone else for letting me know what's in the shop. I remember when you could actually buy a lot with the credits AND still get the 40% discount. Now it appears that there's not much to buy and its marked up incredibly high. I have over 100k to blow and was just curious. Does anyone know when they stock the store by any chance? |
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I had never heard of them before either. I think I saw Blade Tech remnants on the hooks but I’m not sure. I bought one with credits @ $109.99 and I found it to be a good addition to the holster collection. There’s no belt adjustment so I fab’d a spacer. Works fine.
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Again, much appreciated everyone! |
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Anybody do this thing 5 or more years ago? Did you get a check in the mail from Iggy for your purchase price? Last edited by Mustard; 08-12-2018 at 9:22 PM.. |
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That’s how the transfer works. Send the gun letter that you’ll receive, your FFL’s business card and $50 to FS per gun. They ship to your FFL who may or may not charge sales tax depending on his interpolation. He’ll charge a transfer fee cuz you didn’t buy his guns. Then there’s the $25 DROS fee on top of that. So your 5 Bills will turn into at least $650+. Add more transfer fees for more guns, etc. As for that rotten POS roster, I’d check that but I believe the XD is ok, but the Glock will be a Gen 3.
The Champion club only came out last August so those rebates are still 48 months out. Time will tell. He must really be expecting to be raking it in by 2022 to be offering everyone’s money back. Last edited by Muzz; 08-12-2018 at 10:07 PM.. |
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QUESTION - which should the Wife use? Glock 19 or Glock 34?
Okay, as previously mentioned, am planning to take my family (wife and 2 boys) to FS for some fun-filled vacation. The boys will be taking the 4D Children's and Youth Achievement Camp and the wife will be taking the 4D DHG. I'm thinking of something else for myself - the 4D Practical Rifle. It would either be mid-December or late February, and possibly in March if the latest calendar becomes online.
Having said that - my wife hasn't shot a pistol before. I could introduce her to it, but have always been warned that wives don't listen to their husbands when it comes to, say, firearms. I left it at that... Come class day - I would guess that the preference would be a 9mm for her, right? I have BOTH a Glock 19 and a Glock 34. Should I have her use the Glock? If so, which one? And if not, what would you recommend renting from FS? Obviously, an M&P Shield 9 sub-compact is out of the question... Cheers, _ |
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I would make sure she is familiar operating a pistol before class starts as the class is not “that basic”. She should be comfortable putting on a holster and mag holder, using a Uplula loader for magazines, having sufficient protection from the sun and wearing a required ball cap.
As for the gun make sure she is comfortable shooting the Glock as the grips can be tough for smaller hands. A Springfield XD is easier for someone to manipulate with small hands. Have her shoot what she feels better with. I would bet she would prefer the 19. It is not to teacher her to shoot but more about how to load and wearing the gear so she can concentrate on what they are teaching. If you attend the same class as her don’t pair up. Seen too many couples fight and argue and nobody is learning then. |
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You don't want to be her coach, but you can be training in the next lane. The instructors will guide her through the class. But having someone familiar next to you can be very comforting through a new experience. If you succeed in making her a gun enthusiast, your gun hobby will improve 100%, I guarantee. Trips to shooting classes will always be in the agenda, new guns will be that much easier. Believe me, I've been there. As far as gun choices go, for which gun do you have a holster for? If for neither or for both, I'd let her shoot the G34. Dimensionally bigger guns are easier. The weight difference doesn't matter and it will recoil less. Be sure to pick up 17 round mags at Bass Pro or somewhere on your way in. Best if you buy 10/17 magazine blocks and epoxy before you leave CA so you can bring those mags home with you. If she likes 4DDHG, next is 4DPR for both of you. Such is a smorgasbord.
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A month after I got into firearms, I took the 2DDHG and it was Weaver with push-pull, etc. It was good for me then as I was just starting out. However as I try to evolve on my own (dry practice, local classes, matches, etc.) - I have built my foundations on Isosceles. Stance is different, recoil management is different, draw stroke is a bit different, etc. I am NOT saying that one is better than the other, it is more of a preference. Hence, maybe I'd take 4DPR... Quote:
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If I were to glue the blocks/limiters to the magazines, then it doesn't make sense buying those 17-rounders. Right? Cheers, _
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As someone else mentioned you could be next to her instead of pairing with her. That way you are there for support, but not having to direct her in regards to safety etc.. I know you said you would not want to teach her. However, I'd want to make sure she can rack the gun to load it. I was helping my sister a while back and she could not rack the gun as she was just using one hand and trying to pull the slide back while just holding the gun instead of pushing with the strong hand while pulling the slide with the support hand. A subtle difference but it made it work. Also, she might have to go overhand instead of the slingshot method etc., etc.. Depends on her strength.
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For a newbie, not having to change magazines as often can only improve her experience. Also if you can shoot, they will not hassle you about your isosceles stance. Many of the instructors also compete and shoot iso, they just have to instruct weaver in class.
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Thanks for the replies!
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That said, I did check the latest FS calendar with my kids' school. Unfortunately, there aren't any that would work. I guess I have to wait when they release the schedule for March onwards. Again, thanks for the responses... _
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Also, the idea is for her to have fun while getting introduced to handguns. The shoot house is fun. I'd go for the 4D as originally planned.
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So just like when I worked at a driving school. 2 days get the concepts across. Day three is usually a partial drop in performance and day for is where everything gells. Do the four day. Also two things not mentioned bring a comfortable lawn chair bring aspirin for the sore muscles.
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BTW, the TPC in Utah - is it better to drive out? Or fly in? However, for the latter, I can't find any feasible flights... _ |
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I'd drive. It is only an hour and a half from Vegas. Also, I'd either camp at the range if you have an RV or use AirBnB. I have, in the past, stayed at nice AirBnBs at $40 per night.
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My two cents: first class i took was a 2ddhg, but I've been shooting for 5 years. Two days was enough for me to get hooked on training classes, four days might have exhausted me at the end.
There were two gun virgins in my class, a bf/gf pair. I was pretty nervous standing next to them in day 1 but by day 2 i felt safe(r). They still can't shoot accurately, but they can shoot safely. I figured you'd be your wife's line coach; bf/gf did it for each other. But i can understand if a couple is fighting on the range then no one is havinga good day. You know your wife best (i knows her pretty well too, haha jk); it can be a chance to connect or a chance to let her have fun. I'd vote glock 34for the extra sight radius (and softer recoil? Never shot a 34 before, so don't know). The conversation about magazines is spot on ; mag changes are not the focus at this point for a gun noob. Most important to me is my thumb on my firing hand. Even with a two day my **** was raw from mag changes and malfunction drills. I already had an extended mag release, but bought a oem extended slide catch because ofthis. Make the ergonomics perfect for the little lady so she'll enjoy herself more instead of fear every mag changes and type 3 malfunction. Dress appropriate (including shoes. I had to loan sneakers to bf/gf pair, she was wearing heels), hydrate, hat, shirt for hot brass mitigation, e.t.c |
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Just an FYI for a buck or two you can get a DVD/downlaod from FS and it will give your wife some info on being there for the first time - they cover what she will learn and was very informative - well worth doing for the novice first timer in the shooting sport.
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Thanks for the responses guys!
As I was once an FS student, I have the introductory DVD. I also bought the printed manuals for the HG, PR and Shotgun at the ProShop when I was there. Yeah, I guess that it would be best that I pair up with her... Since she just started doing Kendo (Japanese swordsmanship) 3x/week - am hoping that she be up and running by March for a 4D. That said... Maybe it's me; but, the last time I was at Front Sight I didn't appreciate the unsolicited advice from my pair. YES to points that are related to safety and what the FS instructors touch on; NO to stuff like "special tips" to improve grip and stance, etc. that he seemingly learned from another school. Especially from someone who doesn't shoot any better than I did... He had a Glock 17 with low-recoil reloads (he told me he got it from this "guy," etc.), and I had a Glock 22 with factory. Quote:
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Couple questions for you FS guys/gals with more experience than me. I've taken 5 classes now after I got a cheap Diamond membership off Ebay and am addicted. I want to take them all but the private training is very appealing to me and I'm considering upgrading to President.
Here's my questions: 1. How many days can you schedule for private? Is it just 1 day at a time, or can you schedule 2 or 4? As in days in a row, so instead of doing a 4 day course, can you do a 4 day private? 2. Has the lead time in scheduling private classes gotten out of hand? From what I heard previously it was like 6 months, which is OK since I'm a planner but if it's insane now I might reconsider. 3. Can you put another private class on the calendar before completing one that's scheduled? IE it's August, say I have a private class scheduled in December, can I schedule one for like June next year now or do I have to complete my December session and then start over? 4. Is there anyone here with TBD President memberships that's interested in selling? I don't know if TBD President's are a thing or not but thought I'd check before I pay the good Dr. directly. If anyone has one to sell, I'd rather help a member get some money back on their investment rather than lining Pizza's pockets. Any other thoughts/tips? |
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My understanding is you can schedule a whole 4 day class as private. Personally I think that would be a waste as there is time built in the schedule for 40 people and one on one would slow you down but could be condensed.
They roll out the schedule 6 months in advance. You have to show you passed the lower class to schedule higher classes. I think they won't really entertain to much of front loading classes. I think you can front load other classes you just have to wait till they roll out the class schedules. I haven't used the private training yet as I don't have it for my son and I have to go through the training with him due to age. |
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So, the "private" training still follows FS curriculum rather than evaluating a shooter and working on his/her weaknesses or a specific items a shooter wishes to work on (e.g. transitions between multiple targets, shooting on the move etc.) ?
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They bend curriculum to your wants, needs and desires within reason. No lectures, no downtime for long instruction sessions. Plenty of restroom breaks. Lots of practice.
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Thanks for all the responses so far, very helpful. I've been a longtime lurker here and learned a lot about FS that's helped me do better there than I would have otherwise.
Thanks Muzz for the info about the curriculum, that's about what I was expecting. I've heard mention that you can work parts of different courses in, can anyone confirm? Assuming they're all courses you're qualified for, say you wanted to focus on Rifle but also wanted to spend some time brushing up on shotgun and pistol, would that fly with them? Also, sounds like this is the case, but wondering if they give you the chance to do some extra/more advanced stuff if you're doing well with the course? Lastly, can anyone who's been through private training confirm on how many consecutive days you can schedule it for? I'm hoping you can do 4, which I'd assume would align with curriculum for many of the courses. I'm figuring that 1 on 1 I could probably get 2-4x the amount of training in the same amount of time. |
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