An open question to my gay brothers here.

[TurboChrisB]

Ok somebodies got to post up in here.

Gay Calgunners.

What are we working with here?

Meaning....if'n you had to guess....what percentage of the gay populace is "gun friendly" or more specifically owns a firearm?

I know it's a guess.....but whats YOUR guess?

10%?

20%

More? Less?

And what can WE as Calgunners do to help change that?

I remember a thread a little while back.....someone had made a poster.....about gays with guns fighting back or something like that. I recall offering to print up some posters...( I own a printing company) and someone should go hit West Hollywood, DT Long Beach, known areas with a solid gay community and start plastering these up on bustop benches and walls, etc. But I never got any response as I recall.

You know...... post em up shepard fairey (Obey) style.

If the message is subtle.....seeing it over and over might just start to desensitize people to guns?

I don't know.....it's the only idea I've come up with.

Any other ideas?

[GayGuns]

While we're at it we should be advertising this forum as it's looking like I might be the only Gay here! Ha.

[carries an axe]

Naw, I just don't play politics and identity.
I like girls, I like boys, I like guns.

I promote 2a wherever and to whover will listen.
Nuff said

[RestrictedColt]

No idea what the percentage is, but I'm guessing lower than the percentage of straight gun enthusiasts among men. I used to hang out with quite a few gays, friends of ex girlfriends, very few were gun enthusiasts but most were relatively 2A friendly and possibly more 2A friendly than the non-gun straights. I assume it's because they generally believe in freedom more than straights and that spills over to guns even among those that aren't into guns, my speculation. I currently only hang out with 2 gay guys, a couple, and both are into guns and they join me on about 1/2 my outings.

Among women I'd guess they're about equal between gay and straight gun enthusiasts, maybe a higher percentage on the gay side. In my experience there are more anti-gun women than men, but among the women the gays seem to be less anti-gun.

[hunterb]

I really admire the Pink Pistol folks. The importance of their outreach deserves all of our support. Liberty for all.

[Euphoria526]

Originally Posted by RestrictedColt

No idea what the percentage is, but I'm guessing lower than the percentage of straight gun enthusiasts among men. I used to hang out with quite a few gays, friends of ex girlfriends, very few were gun enthusiasts but most were relatively 2A friendly and possibly more 2A friendly than the non-gun straights. I assume it's because they generally believe in freedom more than straights and that spills over to guns even among those that aren't into guns, my speculation. I currently only hang out with 2 gay guys, a couple, and both are into guns and they join me on about 1/2 my outings.

Among women I'd guess they're about equal between gay and straight gun enthusiasts, maybe a higher percentage on the gay side. In my experience there are more anti-gun women than men, but among the women the gays seem to be less anti-gun.

In my experience/ groups of friends all the guys would be down for going to the range and most women would be open to at least try it. Usually it's the lesbians that have a little more fun than straight women, not being scared of recoil. But that's just my small group.

[Ron-Solo]

No clue what the percentage is. I'm straight, but my gay son owns a couple of guns. But, he's was raised around guns and earned both rifle and shotgun merit badges when he was in Scouts.

[valleyM]

The sisters are here too, @TurboChrisB. Most of my friends (male or female) are not interested in guns, although a couple admit to being intrigued. I intend to take them out shooting and see if I can convert them.

[VictorFranko]

I have a lesbian couple I count as good friends.
For some reason, one of them knew I was a gun guy and she thinks it's really cool, while her partner (Beth) had no idea.
Once at our favorite watering hole, they invited their lesbian friend Nancy to join us. Beth was floored to learn Nancy was an avid gun girl. So was I, lol.
You just never know.

[TurboChrisB]

Originally Posted by Ron-Solo

No clue what the percentage is. I'm straight, but my gay son owns a couple of guns.

My oldest brother was gay and when he died I inherited nothing but quality guns from him. Colt AR, Colt Python, Benelli Shotgun, S&W 686, .270 Deer Rifle. He had great taste.

Originally Posted by valleyM

The sisters are here too, @TurboChrisB. Most of my friends (male or female) are not interested in guns, although a couple admit to being intrigued. I intend to take them out shooting and see if I can convert them.

[Redemption]

Not gay myself but one of the ten plus people I have taught to shoot is a lesbian. or maybe more gay flexible.... Im sketchy on the details.

She also has done well with the recoil, more so than most of the straight females I have taught to shoot.

I have found that there is a deliberate method to getting people interested. Get in their head, they feel timid, inexperienced and nervous. I rarely choose to talk TO a non shooter about shooting, instead I talk ABOUT shooting in front of non shooters, I talk about how much fun I had on the range, anything that makes it appealing. eventually they start asking questions, if they express concerns or worries I validate it and then expand with my experience, I make it as un pressured as is possible.

If I get anything that seems responsive I offer to take them, and I make sure they know I will make them thoroughly ready before I bring them on a live fire, that shooting with me will be a pressure free, fun experience. Ive gotten a whole lot of success this way.

Far as experience level... with the exception of the card carrying (extreme) lefty crowd most of the gay or bi sexual individuals I have known either have some experience with firearms or are open to it (a list that includes probably 10 or more people)

[GayGuns]

I started getting to be a decent rifle shot myself with Appleseed. First rate training and cheap --I think most people can go from never having picked up a rifle to a decent group by EOD. Can't say enough good about them.

[twomanattact]

Why does orientation matter? If that kind of thing mattered calguns should have a whites with guns section, bikers with guns section, quilters with guns section, pets with guns section, where does it end? I don't care if someone is gay or not, what u shove up your as is your own business. I'm even glad gays have the right to get married and be as miserable as the the rest of us .... but like the parade why does there have to be a special exception for a group. Shooting sports encompass everyone.

[GayGuns]

Originally Posted by twomanattact

Why does orientation matter? If that kind of thing mattered calguns should have a whites with guns section, bikers with guns section, quilters with guns section, pets with guns section, where does it end? I don't care if someone is gay or not, what u shove up your as is your own business. I'm even glad gays have the right to get married and be as miserable as the the rest of us .... but like the parade why does there have to be a special exception for a group. Shooting sports encompass everyone.

I would agree. However sadly we do not live in THAT world you describe with people that have an evolved mindset such as yourself.

It's this way because gays are still discriminated against. Pets, and quilters and bikers, as a whole, are not usually beaten and bashed sidelined and marginalized. Or killed. It's this way because of Pulse. Where..... (do I need to say this?) LGBTs were targeted not because they had pets or quilted or rode bikes. It's this way because LGBT have been so poisoned with the Liberal mindset that they've forgotten it's up themselves to protect themselves. No... in fact most are afraid of guns and think the cops will come in time.

I would agree on the Parade too. I'm not a big rainbow flag waving parade goer myself --however what those darn, over the top, parades did do was help show the masses of LGBT --Power in numbers. And THAT was highly instrumental in the evolution of equal rights. As far as I am concerned we should toss all the labels out. Or have a Straight parade too.. get all those big corporations behind it because they see another opportunity to drink and party and sell shyt.

So any way that I (or MOST 2A constitution loving Americans) can get more PEOPLE (Straight, Gay, Black, Red, Yellow, Purple, Orange, Pets and Dinosaurs and Unicorns) educated about the 2A and why it's even more important today --then who cares how it happens. If it upsets you --don think about it and just know SOME of us are fighting the good fight the best way we know how.

Thanks for taking the time to post.

[C.W.M.V.]

Originally Posted by carries an axe

Naw, I just don't play politics and identity.
I like girls, I like boys, I like guns.

I promote 2a wherever and to whover will listen.
Nuff said

Preach on brah.
Playing for both teams has literally nothing to do with my love of guns and trying to spread the good word of our savior JMB.

[CAL.BAR]

I'd bet a VERY low percentage of gays are into guns. I'll bet it's pretty close to the number of women into guns (single digits of percentage)

[melliw]

What is cool about this forum is that most of the people posting are not gay. I am glad that there is more acceptance than stupidity.

[C.W.M.V.]

Beats the hell out of Arfcom that way lol.

[mikest]

i don't have a lot of gay friends so I can't speak for them, but the percentage of 2A friendly queers I know (those are the letters after L&G in LGBT) is pretty high.

we also don't go around advertising ourselves terribly much because then we get a raft of **** from homophobic right wingers *and* anti-gun liberals.

[DueceMcGurk]

I think equating sexual orientation with other personal preferences is a mistake. No data (and there probably will never be any), but my guess is the percentage of LGBT gun enthusiasts is about the same as other groups. If you are a responsible, safe, gun owner who represents gun ownership well, you are in my group regardless of other personal preferences.

[TheRealVIC]

took my daughters gay friend to the range not too long ago. he actually did pretty good with no real shooting experience. not sure if he liked it enough to get his own gun but at least he had the opportunity to make a real decision and not just listen to the leftist agenda

[IVth Horseman]

From my experience rational gay folks respond the same way to firearms as rational hetero folks, I don't think anyones sexual preference makes a difference when it comes to firearms. With that said I assume most gays vote left (please correct me if I'm wrong) which suggests they may already have a negative opinion of firearms.

If we as Americans are going to fight off the attack on our 2nd amendment we have to teach everyone (gays and heterosexuals) that firearms are to be respected but not feared.

[RestrictedColt]

Originally Posted by GayGuns

I would agree. However sadly we do not live in THAT world you describe with people that have an evolved mindset such as yourself.

It's this way because gays are still discriminated against. Pets, and quilters and bikers, as a whole, are not usually beaten and bashed sidelined and marginalized. Or killed. It's this way because of Pulse. Where..... (do I need to say this?) LGBTs were targeted not because they had pets or quilted or rode bikes. It's this way because LGBT have been so poisoned with the Liberal mindset that they've forgotten it's up themselves to protect themselves. No... in fact most are afraid of guns and think the cops will come in time.

I would agree on the Parade too. I'm not a big rainbow flag waving parade goer myself --however what those darn, over the top, parades did do was help show the masses of LGBT --Power in numbers. And THAT was highly instrumental in the evolution of equal rights. As far as I am concerned we should toss all the labels out. Or have a Straight parade too.. get all those big corporations behind it because they see another opportunity to drink and party and sell shyt.

So any way that I (or MOST 2A constitution loving Americans) can get more PEOPLE (Straight, Gay, Black, Red, Yellow, Purple, Orange, Pets and Dinosaurs and Unicorns) educated about the 2A and why it's even more important today --then who cares how it happens. If it upsets you --don think about it and just know SOME of us are fighting the good fight the best way we know how.

Thanks for taking the time to post.

Well said, and it echoes your mission statement; I checked out GWG after reading your post. Far too often gay groups, just as most other groups, don't seem to want 'outsiders' to be a part of them which seems pretty stupid to me.

Gays being for gun freedom just makes sense, but it seems that many or most are lefties and don't want generalized freedom or true equality but only the freedom to be gay and unequal "equal" rights.

Whether I think gays or women or any other similarly segregated group of people should have a dedicated sub-forum or not I'm tossed. My thought is no for a few reasons. One: it continues to show separation between that group and everyone else. Two: it's unlikely that a SWM (straight white male) group would be allowed to do it so it ads to the unequal equality that kinda pysses me off. Three: where does it end? Will we have a blacks with guns, latinos with guns, old people with guns…. And if any of those minorities tries and gets denied then Calguns would be seen as being biased against them. On the flip side I understand that these minority groups would like to have a gathering place for 'their' people and, as in this case, a way to involve people who might not otherwise know how to get a taste of shooting. The more people we get to like guns the better off we'll be and the more likely we'll someday have freedom.

[J_Breezy]

Originally Posted by RestrictedColt

Well said, and it echoes your mission statement; I checked out GWG after reading your post. Far too often gay groups, just as most other groups, don't seem to want 'outsiders' to be a part of them which seems pretty stupid to me.

Gays being for gun freedom just makes sense, but it seems that many or most are lefties and don't want generalized freedom or true equality but only the freedom to be gay and unequal "equal" rights.

Whether I think gays or women or any other similarly segregated group of people should have a dedicated sub-forum or not I'm tossed. My thought is no for a few reasons. One: it continues to show separation between that group and everyone else. Two: it's unlikely that a SWM (straight white male) group would be allowed to do it so it ads to the unequal equality that kinda pysses me off. Three: where does it end? Will we have a blacks with guns, latinos with guns, old people with guns…. And if any of those minorities tries and gets denied then Calguns would be seen as being biased against them. On the flip side I understand that these minority groups would like to have a gathering place for 'their' people and, as in this case, a way to involve people who might not otherwise know how to get a taste of shooting. The more people we get to like guns the better off we'll be and the more likely we'll someday have freedom.

I see your point and it's a question that comes up often of well, why not have any of the subgroups mentioned? Hell, why not have a Satan Worshipers With Guns group?! My response: sure, knock your socks off. We have a freedom and right to association in which I think the common thread becomes favoring 2A to defend that ability.

My own personal experiences, both in joining GWG and welcoming new members, has shown a pattern: people who are LGBTQ and interested in firearms may find it easier to get involved when they can find immediate familiarity with the people in a group; it's not easy to jump into waters unknown and mass media doesn't do any favors to displacing the stereotype of gun owner = white, cis-gendered, heterosexual male. This was the case for me - I wanted to learn about firearms but hesitant to jump right in. GWG was a place where I knowingly shared some commonality with the members that I felt more comfortable. My partner now comes shooting with us and that likely would not have ever happened without some kind of outwardly queer gun group.

Sadly, yes, many times there are gay groups that don't want straight people in their circle. That's their choice and I personally disagree with it for reasons mentioned but whatever. There's a time and place for that as well. GWG is inclusive and welcomes allies - no one would be barred for their sexuality - being gay is not a *requirement* (otherwise I couldn't join)... Just know that plans to grab a drink after the range have a higher likelihood to be somewhere in West Hollywood .

Sorry, I ranted a bit. Long story short... My point is to not let this be viewed as a form a separation rather than a catalyst, a bridge, to bring people of different walks of life together for a common cause and break down the stigmas that separate us.

[orangeusa]

Originally Posted by C.W.M.V.

Preach on brah.
Playing for both teams has literally nothing to do with my love of guns and trying to spread the good word of our savior JMB.

It only took me 3 months to figure out what this post meant. Lol.

.

[J_Breezy]

Originally Posted by IVth Horseman

From my experience rational gay folks respond the same way to firearms as rational hetero folks, I don't think anyones sexual preference makes a difference when it comes to firearms. With that said I assume most gays vote left (please correct me if I'm wrong) which suggests they may already have a negative opinion of firearms.

If we as Americans are going to fight off the attack on our 2nd amendment we have to teach everyone (gays and heterosexuals) that firearms are to be respected but not feared.

I don't think so either; I HIGHLY doubt there's a scientific correlation between sexual preferences and permissiveness to firearms. Although, I do find myself more attracted to people when I know they shoot... is 'ammosexual' a valid orientation? Can I put that on my OKCupid profile?

I think most gays vote left because it's the prevailing political stance that advocates for their interests then it just becomes a package deal shoved down our throats of everything on the Left. Hence, I'm a registered Libertarian. I love this statement I bolded.