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Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated Centerfire rifles, carbines and other gas operated rifles. |
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M1A vs PTR 91?
I'm looking to get my first 308 semi auto rifle and am debating between a Springfield M1A or a PTR 91. I'm going to be shooting less than 200 yards. What are your opinions on the differences? Any advantages between the two?
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I will take M-1A anytime. I never liked the trigger of HK-91 type rifles.
My M-1A is very accurate. |
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I've had a SAR-8 (Greek HK-91. Basically same as the PTR) as well as several M1As. The M1A is, IMHO, the far better weapon. I sold the SAR8, but stil have the M1As.
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I have them both. I like each for different reasons. What is your budget first off. Do you intend to use optics? If just irons, the M1a irons are the best out of any battle rifle IMO. Nither are well suited for optics though can be adapted. I would get the M1a a ever so slight edge on the optics side only because the charging handle can get in the way on the PTR/G3 platform. Do you care about featureless beng in CA? I really like the ability to drop mags. It really isn't an issue otherwise but I just feel it is a nice option to have. My PTR has BB and it works just fine too. If I were to change it to be featureless, the PTR would feel ackward to me. Both you are looking at .60c at the very least but also factor in the cost of mags. 6 mags for the PTR will run you 25ish bucks... M1a is a different story on top of the initial cost of the gun. The M1a(Loaded model) is more accurate for me with irons. PTR(F model) is a better value I would say but if I were to get rid of one, the PTR would go. Springfield offers a lifetime warranty, PTR is 5 years I believe if that matters too...
Kevin Last edited by Sicarius; 12-07-2012 at 9:30 AM.. |
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I have both. M1A would be my choice. It just feels smoother, and accuracy is better. I never really liked that charging handle on those HK type of guns. Detail cleaning is alot easier on the M1A aswell.
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You don't know what you're talking about.
There are no M14s for sale in US without NFA paperwork and they are very expensive. M14s are regarded to be MGs. M1As are the semiauto version of the M14.
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ps. Have you also consider a FAL??? if you are really looking for a .308 workhorse, I would go with that route. The adjustable gas system is perfect for feeding all types of ammo. The thing is rugged and battle tested. Not so much for long range but a true beast that is heavily underrated in my opinion.
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Come on in to the 21st Century. FN Herstal SCAR.
CA Version in stock at RifleGear. http://www.riflegear.com/p-1367-fn-h...r-17s-fde.aspx Mine arriving at the shop: http://imgur.com/onujg |
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BTW....+1 on the M1a. Its a BOSS!!
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Nothing against PTR or G3-type rifles (I used to own an HK91), but from these 2, I lean more toward M1A if money is no trouble. Why?
-Better ergos -No BB to fumble or worry about. -Better iron sights and arguably, more accurate. -Slightly less recoil. |
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I just just talking with some shooters I had over last night for a BBQ that there has been a lot of M1a's changing hands recently. Keep your eye out.....and the m14froum.com alwahs has rifles in the PX for sale.
M1a is nice...but its semi....and a semi .308 is expensive to feed. I heard though that federal/american eagle stuff is good stuff. Either way...my little Scout is by far my favorite shooter.
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I have a few 308 semi autos but don't have an M1A. I have a Garand so I don't see the value of an M1A. I prefer rifles that have some of the more modern designs that include pistol grips and an action that can be cleaned from the breach.
I had a PTR and sold it as the other 308s in my safe got taken out more. The triggers tend to be poor and the recoil seems to slap me in the face. But they are very reliable, have good sights, and are reasonably accurate. I really like my FAL; I have two and am selling one so I can build another. They have great ergonomics, mild recoil, and okay sights but are not particularly accurate. A DPMS pattern AR10 (yes, I know) has great ergonomics, great triggers available, easy scope mounting, and good accuracy at a price more reasonable than the state of the art rifles.
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LRB Walnut Stock M14 $2600 (semi auto) (Forged Reciever not M1A Cast Crap, All Steel Internals Not M1A pot metal pos) By the time you buy a M1A and change out then internals for steel forged parts you could have a LRB M14 |
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That's easy - M1A.
Had a Scout in my hands today for the second time, and the same thing happened that happened the first time - brought the stock up to my shoulder, closed my left eye and, boom - sights lined up AUTOMATICALLY like the gun was made for ME!! |
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It is you that does not know what you are talking about. Springfield owns the copyright to "M1A". All other manufactures of this variant of rifle sell them as M14's. They are just not select fire, thats all.
If you want to go big, have this guy build you up a LRB M25 using USGI parts. http://www.shop.m-14parts.com/Incomp...tial-Upper.htm If you are on a budget, be patient and pick up a used Springfield Loaded. Its worth spending the couple extra bucks on the Loaded vs. Standard too. If patient, you can find a good deal on this website or over at M14 Forums. Last edited by bigdrunk92037; 12-07-2012 at 5:22 PM.. |
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Good advice.
My first was an M1A and it had problems right out of the box, I sold it and now own several super reliable M14s. |
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Just my opinion. Different strokes for different folks. I like my PTR91. I don't like the souped up railed SOCOM M1As. weight is weird, but the shorter barreled scouts I DO like. It's on my wish list (with a SCAR). My buddy has a ?match? M1A and that's a nice gun, but....I dunno...feels too long for me (I'm a short guy). Featureless, the PTR91 IS awkward. And I HATE the BB on the PTR91. Optics wise though the PTR is NOT very hard to accessorize (MFI or B&T rails or claw mounts). Add a heavy buffer and a comp and the recoil is much nicer, and after a bill springfield trigger job, the trigger is much nicer, but at that point you just hit M1a pricing so.....try both. See what YOU like.
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If the question was "M1A versus an HK91 r.aw./free state" we might have some different opinions. I prefer the HK91 series; Williams trigger specialties does HK trigger jobs if you don't have PSG-1 trigger groups lying around.
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How do u go about getting an m14 for a little bit more than m1a legally in kommifornia? Please do share.........
The only m14 that I can buy here is the battery operated and compressed gas operated kind only that is of caliber .24 M1a FTW, ptrs will never be as well made, accurate, ergos as m1a.
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They aren't talking about real USGI M14s. They are talking about M14 pattern rifles made by other manufactures not including Springfield Armory.
LRB arms makes a semi-automatic rifle that it calls an M14S I believe. Other companies like Polytech and Norinco made semi-auto rifles called M14s, patterned after the real deal USGI M14. Obviously we can't own USGI M14s here. What people are saying is to buy an M14 pattern rifle other than a Springfield M1A. |
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