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Old 02-17-2018, 7:55 PM
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Default Two FN carbines

Two Fabrique Nationale manufacture 1930 carbines.

The un-crested carbine is thought to be made a Moroccan Police carbine. although that has not been 100% confirmed. It's chambered in .308 Typical FN beauty. They were produced between 1962 and 1975.

I've seen two of these recently, both had serial numbers under 100 (like this one). Both had FN style grenade launchers attached.

The Crown over "J" crested carbine was made for the Netherlands, specifically the "Municipal Police Corps" and has right side receiver markings "GEM.POL". This is one of the 1,098 carbines produced under that contract. It's chambered in 8MM Mauser. The "J" is for Queen Juliana.

The walnut on these FN made carbines is simply beautiful.

Both have their original FN issued slings.














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All your pictures should be done on top of the glass case with the rockets in the backdrop. Please.
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Wow, those look like those were made yesterday. Excellent rifles, thanks for sharing!
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Those receivers and bolts are beautifully machined aren't they?
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Wow, those are very nice.
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Amazing looking examples that look brand new. The machine work is very well done.
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Love the wood graining on those stocks.
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I never saw production numbers on the Dutch Mausers before, is that for all both J and W marked? I also had a J I think the W is rarer. I have seen maybe 2 others in person and usually they are priced high. Mine had a serial number below 20.
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Holy cow! Your collection(what you have shared) is simply amazing. Up until now, these are a part of history I was totally ignorant about.

Thanks for sharing and, Keep Them Coming!
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Very nice. Thank you for sharing.
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I never saw production numbers on the Dutch Mausers before, is that for all both J and W marked? I also had a J I think the W is rarer. I have seen maybe 2 others in person and usually they are priced high. Mine had a serial number below 20.
The info is from the book "FN Mauser Rifles Arming Belgium and the World" by Anthony Vanderlinden. It was published 2016 by Wet Dog Publishing.

I highly recommend it, if just for all the beautiful photos..

According to the book there were 5,000 FN carbines manufactured for the Rijspolite "State Police" shortly after WWII in 1947. These state police carbines had a "crown over W" crest in honor of Queen Wilhelmina.

Wilhelmina died in 1948, and was replaced by Queen Juliana.

So the state police carbines will have a serial number between 1 and 5000 with no additional markings on the right front of their receivers.

The Municipal Police Corp "Gemeentelijke Politekorpsen" carbines will have serial numbers extending from where the state police contract ended at 5000, and run from 5001 to 6098. All of these carbines should have the Crown over J crest of Queen Juliana. These carbines will also gave "GEM.POL." engraved on the right front of their receivers.

There was one additional group of Dutch Police carbines produced by FN. These were for the Amsterdam Municipal Police. These carbines were numbered from 1 to 200, and differed slightly from the other police carbines, in that they had side mounted sling swivels in addition to the swivels mounted under the stock. They were also marked "GEM.POL. A'DAM." on the left front of their receivers. These carbines also had the crown over J crest.

The Dutch military also ordered 20,000 FN carbines for their colony in the Dutch east indies. These had different receiver markings...


The book is really a great reference.!!

One real neat revelation in the book is understanding some of the weird proofs found on some FN made parts.

In the past some of the proofs were thought to be partially struck. However it was discovered that, as in the pic below the proof "5" surrounded on the three sides with lines actually was a proof indicating the part was made in the third "trimester" of 1955. (third quarter of 1955)

Different "trimesters" used different lines around the numbers...

We call "trimesters" "quarters"

Pretty cool information.



The proof below which is on the carbine with the grenade launcher. Is a "A" surrounded on both sides and the bottom. This indicates this piece was produced in 1966.

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Wow!

Nice rifles, as always, SVT.

Have you ever run across a Venezuelan FN 24/30 target rifle? In the hunt for one.
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I had the Amsterdam version. I didn't realize it was so rare and I don't know why I had the idea the W marked ones are rarer.
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Can I get a better picture of the GL Jim?
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Can I get a better picture of the GL Jim?
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Can we show my FN Mauser some love (itís an antecedent to SVT-40s' FN carbines).

FN Mauser M1930 ABL, .30-06 Springfield (Belgian Army Mauser with King Leopold crest, manufactured in 1951):

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FN Mauser M1930 ABL, .30-06 Springfield (Belgian Army Mauser with King Leopold crest, manufactured in 1951):

I still have one of those too I picked it up for $200 about a year or so ago the clueless FFL had no idea what it really was or even what it was chambered in.
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I hate you - J/K! You have such beautiful specimens! Those are absolutely gorgeous! Thanks for sharing!
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Hey SVT, are these C&Rís?
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Yes they are.
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These are cool as heck. Are they just ordinary 98 Mauser actions?
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These are cool as heck. Are they just ordinary 98 Mauser actions?
I think the engineers at FN would take offense at their works of are being called "ordinary"...

But they are FN produced Mauser 98 style carbines and rifles. FN called these "FN model 1930" or, the "FN Mauser"... " Carbines and rifles.

There were some very minor differences between pre WWII and post WWII made actions, but for the most part they were the same.
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