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Old 02-22-2018, 6:46 PM
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May I present – North Korean Type 63 – Serial no. 0125 –

I think the collecting community got together and decided to “give” me this one – Thanks Matt & Todd!

Gun was listed on Gunbroker – I was assuring myself that I would be flung so far from last minute bidders – I woke up early to watch the auction and went back to bed happy as a clam!

Gun was brought back by WO-1 Gerald A. Carpenter with the 23rd Americal Infantry Division –

Sad to report WO-1 Carpenter passed away April 2017 – Mrs. Carpenter is in the care of the state of NY – Thus the state conducted an estate sale –

The documents were taped around the buttstock and were subsequently removed by the state – Serial numbers were also stamped by the state as the original numbers were drilled –

She is completely matching – Her condition is rough – The metal have heavy pitting –

She does wear the gas cut off valve and she does have the holes for the M15 grenade launching sight –

She is dressed to kill in a laminate stock –

The only issue is the missing rear stock sling swivel -

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Thanks. Interesting piece of history!
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what a beauty, congratulations.
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That is awesome. Would love to hear how it was initially obtained by Mr. Carpenter.
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From Russia to Korea (via China?) to New York to California.
The travel history alone would probably make a good story.
It's awesome that the gun was not destroyed since the receiver serial number had been drilled out.
Congratulations, what a great score!
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Old 02-22-2018, 8:20 PM
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Great gun, but why did they drill the holes in the numbers?
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Old 02-22-2018, 8:24 PM
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Now that is something special.

I am glad it went to a good caretaker and that the provenance has been preserved.

The benefits of such pieces are twofold. We get to enjoy the posession of them now, and we also get to preserve them responsibly for the sake of posterity.

Well done Sir!
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That thing looks like it spent a lot of time in the jungle. If you find out why the holes were drilled let us know. It is a very interesting piece.
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COOl!!!!!!!
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Wow, Saigon! That is absolutely surperb. Capture papers and all. Excellent catch!
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This is the kind of cool, unusual item that keeps me coming back to this sub-forum. Very cool, especially for the history.
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A neat and unique piece buddy, congratulations. I believe some countries actually did put small scopes on these things as a DMR-type rifle. Wouldn't be a surprise if the drill-tap is legit. Otherwise, it has definitely been-there and done-that. Cool SKS!
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That thing looks like it spent a lot of time in the jungle. If you find out why the holes were drilled let us know. It is a very interesting piece.
"she does wear the gas cut off valve and she does have the holes for the M15 grenade launching sight "
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Does it shoot beyond 50 yards?

Just kidding. Congratulation on a rare piece of history.
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It's beautiful with history Saigon!

Glad you got it.
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Very nice!
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Real deal there

Interesting that kana is incorporated in the serial
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Nice Saigon, very nice indeed. PAX
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Amazing! Now that's a piece of history. Thanks for sharing.
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thats a very rare find, and battlefield pick up

I probably wouldnt even fire it
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What a great find, congrats Saigon.
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Incredible, with the paper work and patina - just really cool!

1971 War trophy - interesting.
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I have been to the DMZ a couple of times and it is pretty tense. Looking off into North Korea with your own two eyes is quite an experience. Booming martial music, huge billboards paying homage to their dear leaders, and even a fake city built to impress tourists looking in from the ROK side.
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Reasons that sound simple enough - I've only seen North Korean SKS with attributes like this - The grenade sight holes and the gas cut off valve -

Less than half of the NK on record have one or both -

Some of the Balkans (SKS) were mostly field expedient - Base and scope added -





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The gun sat in the vet's home the entire time! Until the state of NY took over the estate -

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From Russia to Korea (via China?) to New York to California.
The travel history alone would probably make a good story.
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Congratulations, what a great score!

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1971 War trophy - interesting.

I take it the trip was government sponsor -

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I got this piece and am so excited - I reached out to one of my mentor in Vietnam bring back and found out he has pancreatic cancer -

Now I am so sad...
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Sorry about the diagnosis, man. I'm sure you'll make the best of it with him.
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Sorry to hear about your friend Saigon. That's a tough one for sure. Make the most of the time he has left and just be there for him. Even if he's across the country, just a phone call, text message, or email can brighten his day.
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Thanks a bunch fellas -

He's at stage 4 - Not much time left with us...

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