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Old 02-17-2018, 10:24 PM
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I received this from family and would like to know what it is and it's value. As of right now it is not in firing condition. I would just like to know what it is.. It looks like 1858 and serial 0036. Not sure though. It is 7 shot and looks like .22 caliber. Any help appreciated. Thank you

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Old 02-17-2018, 10:43 PM
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I am not sure this will help but the pistol reminded me of some of the Belgium pistols i worked on many years ago. You might look for a European gun book and most cartridge pistols did not make an appearance until the end of the civil war in this country. I would speculate it might be a European conversion. In any case with the low numbers it could be quite valuable to the right collector. I looked at a couple of books and did not find it in American guns.
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:05 PM
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Thank you for checking. I do appreciate it
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:10 PM
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It almost looks like an S&W under a magnifying glass but really hard to tell. I looked at the model 1 and it is similar but not quite right
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:27 PM
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Looks like a lot like a Allen & Wheelock Model: 22 Side Hammer Revolver Rimfire



That's my guess from searching for 7 shot revolver 22 and browsing through images.
I'm no expert.
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:35 PM
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That looks pretty darn close
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:35 PM
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Idea on worth? Not going to sell it but just curious
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:40 PM
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Thank you for your reply and research....
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:40 PM
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That's it
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Old 02-18-2018, 12:48 AM
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I may have to eat my words that I posted earlier. I don't have a first or second edition of Flayderman's but it would appear the other guys might be closer to be being correct than me. I found several american small caliber revolvers that came close but no matches. I would look at the period of 1865 to 1885. There were a a few minor manufacturers that had guns that were close but not exact. The first model S&W came close. My impression on it being European was most likely wrong. Find a first or second edition Flayderman's and you'll probably find it. Good luck

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I'm no expert, but if assume the value is close to nothing. I have seen really neat old guns in awesome condition that you'd assume would be valuable, but then you find out people are paying chump change for the same gun in the same or better condition. The only way to bump up the value is to have the box, or original accessories or stuff like that. That's what a collector is looking for.
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or provenance. Yours was the personal boot pistol of President Chester A. Arthur? That always helps.
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Note that the Belgiums were notorious for building replica and copys of pistols in the 1800's. Literally, dozens of small arms makers that specialized in building nothing but unlableled, cheap copys. Some were quality pistols, others not so much. Point is, if it looks like a particular brand/model, but doesnt have their proper markings on it, it very likely is a copy.
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The reality is the pistol is probably worth more to you than anyone without a history. If I had it in my hand and could take it to friends I could probably find out more about it but the cylinder reminds me of the Europeans like one person said and it is a copy of something but who made the copy may never be learned since business records of that period were lousy at best and worse now. Good luck if you can't find marks under the handles, inside the cylinder holding bay, or along the frame or under side the barrel. Small marks that are not worn off may be your only link. Good luck.
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Old 02-18-2018, 10:37 PM
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zoom in on the left barrel flat both of these examples look to have markings
in the same location
yours seems to be covered or filled with paint
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Note that the Belgiums were notorious for building replica and copys of pistols in the 1800's. Literally, dozens of small arms makers that specialized in building nothing but unlableled, cheap copys. Some were quality pistols, others not so much. Point is, if it looks like a particular brand/model, but doesnt have their proper markings on it, it very likely is a copy.
I have heard that they stole the idea for waffles as well.
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