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Ok sure I'll go with that??? To each there own. I kinda like a smelly garage... Keeps the women folk out...
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The other thing I found out is that a tube of good old white lithium grease is still the premium stuff for most applications. Couple of bucks at the store and even OSH carries it. |
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Worked in the horse business where I was exposed to some very potent counter irritant liniments, one iodine blister that had to applied with a paint brush so you didn't get it on your skin - woe to me if I did. Then there was the ether, yeah the same ether in starting fluid - only the anesthetic variety, mixed as a leg sweat. This I rubbed on by hand, eventually stripping all the fat out of my skin. That stuff would melt most gloves. Then there was the DMSO they tried for awhile, even the fumes from the dauber would absorb into the skin and give me the taste of garlic in my mouth. Then I worked as a welder for 12 years, taking after my mother, where i was exposed to welding fumes, just like her. Did a lot of MIG Stellite hard facing on bulldozers and scraper blades, stuff had a high boron content that if breathed would cause lung damage or death. Spray painted with polyurethane epoxy marine paint that releases cyanide, and requires a pressurized respirator and isolation suit if you do it correctly - I didn't, just used a filter respirator. Was constantly exposed to lacquer thinner, and acetone. In my job as a Park Ranger I sprayed various insecticides including Sevin in a giant old Rotomist sprayer to control oak moth larva, and Malathion for fruit flies, and chlordane for yellow jackets, then various herbicides such as 2-4-D, and worse stuff, really appreciated when Roundup came along. Next I worked as a water treatment plant and wastewater plant operator, lots of exposure to gas chlorine and later sodium hypochlorite. Not to mention the constant exposure to raw sewage and aeration basins. So, here I am with no ill effects. My suggestion is to not drink the toxic stuff. Oh and by the way, if you drive a car or truck, that ethylene glycol based coolant is one of the most toxic chemicals around. My neighbor had a cat that walked through a puddle of it on his garage floor, licked his paws and died. So, I use only Propylene Glycol coolant which is biodegradable and very low in toxicity. I also recommend Bore Tech gun cleaning solvents for the same reason, low toxicity and they work really well. Oh, and I gave up bullet casting for using commercially produced cast bullets - when I was a kid I hung around the press room at the newspaper, giant vats of molten Linotype - the old guys warned me about the fumes. Last edited by Wrangler John; 01-16-2013 at 4:21 AM.. |
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Ive had good a good experience with it so far. I like the fact it doesnt have a strong odor, if anything it smells minty and is non toxic which would be the strong points for me.
Also it bonds well to the metal and is heat activated and makes it easier to clean youer gun after its appplied properly ( after heating the surfaces) |
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I can say the same thing. My mother worked as a electronics assembler for the IAM union and a hand full of government shops. Electronics assembly with the lead Chemicals she was exposed to in the sixties and seventies would give the EPA a heart attack. Then there was my career as a tool maker being exposed to heavy metals daily, Hexavalent chromium, Beryllium copper, then the solvents, Xylene, Acetone, Lacquer thinner, 111 TCE, The list goes on. If they want to live in a green bubble fine with me. But I'm not going tot let the words petroleum products scare me. |
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yes yes, we've all been exposed to horrible, horrible things and yet somehow we're alive to post about it here so why the whining. as for froglube, like every miracle product, i look upon it dubiously, especially when something comes out touted to be "green" "organic" or some other earth-friendly hippy term i feel compelled to avoid it. people buying hippy crap is what has given that type of people money to launch political campaigns and i feel that they're the ones that have made gun ownership difficult for us. whether or not this chain of events makes sense to anyone else, it does to me and that's why i avoid buying things like this. also, as was said, most things "better" for the environment don't work worth a damn.
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There are worse thing in this world to worry about then a mild level of exposure to a hazardous chemical. Even water has an MSDS |
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The fact that you've been exposed to toxic substances for a long time and not had any ill effects isn't a good argument against being cautious. It is completely logical to try to minimize your exposure to carp that's bad for you. Given the nature of carcinogens and how cancer develops, that one "small" exposure might well have been the tipping point. To be clear I'm NOT saying if you use petroleum products you're going to get cancer, but IMO there's nothing wrong with a healthy degree of risk management.
That said you're probably better off using toxic solvents/oils with proper ventilation and gloves compared to using something like FrogLube with your bare hands then makin' a sandwich... you're still getting lead and other carp on your hands even if the cleaner itself is nontoxic.
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FL is good at preventing junk to stick and is pretty good at lubrication, unless its cold since it turns into a paste until the gun gets warm. The issue I have with it is with rust. I cleaned and put a fair amount of the liquid (but when it's cold it more like the paste) on my shotgun and when I took it out a couple of weeks later some rust had developed on the bolt, barrel and carrier latch.
Pitting on the bolt |
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Get a heat gun and you can heat the parts quick.
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There are much better products out there then WD40 to prevent rust on firearms. I use it but my guns never sit longer then a month or two with out being wiped down again. That is just one more reason that you need a specific product for a specific job. |
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One of my cars is a hybrid, I must support gun control. Riiiiiiiight.
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All I can say is that Froglube stopped rust in its tracks on my reloading press. Rust has been fairly absent from all my guns, except when I discovered the slightest rust spot underneath the grips of my stainless steel revolver.
Maybe the paste works better than the liquid? As far as WD-40 goes, I only have used it on door hinges, to loosen rusty bolts, and to treat some tools. And I douse them in it. Doesn't work long term as protection, but opens up moving parts well. |
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OMG the Hippy comment was so laughable it was sad.
Just a FYI the person who invented Froglube was a OFFICER IN THE U.S. NAVY S.E.A.L.s while he was still in the S.E.A.L.s. He was looking for a better way to protect their firearms from corrosion and preventing the lubricant from washing out and gunking up when submerged for long periods. The product was NEVER ment to be green or enviro friendly it just turned out the best formula was a organic wax type lubricant. Talk about not even close to a Hippy product that supports anti-gun groups. Froglube even when it gets cold and turns solid like a grease it still very effective, melting it after the first time it was already applied to a warm clean surface is not needed (the only reason would be it bothers you to see it solid). While some of you have spent most of your time in toxic waste dumps and do not have 3 arms is very fortunate ...... it does not mean that people should not use products that are the least toxic because not everyone has super DNA. Last edited by Gunsmith Dan; 01-21-2013 at 1:43 AM.. |
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Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850) |
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Like I said there is better stuff out there to use the WD40 but its not as bad as people try to make it out to be. Gunsmithdan My intent here is that with the proper precautions a conventional oil is just fine to use. This means washing your hands before and after servicing your firearms. Servicing them in an area that doesn't come into contact with a food source. And has good ventalation. This should be done with frog lube as well. There is lead in copper, steel, aluminum, brass, and other metals that you are in contact with on your firearm. We won't get into the crazy crap they put in your glock frame as a flowing agent to mold the damn thing. Nor the chemicals used in the thermal set resins used on AR hand guards. I just think its a huge over reaction. We could go back to using bear fat and olive oil???? |
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The only stuff I heard about it was really negative in how it was snake-oil. I think there was once a thread around here started for a gun parts hall of shame and frog lube came up in it too.
I use that Mil-7 pro stuff and it seems to work nicely. Casey birchwood GUN BARRICADE apparently works well for preservation and normal lubing and all. Apparently they sprayed it all over my deagle before they shipped it back to me and it had a nice scent too. Good luck.
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Yup I guess I Was one of them born every minute... I love my frog lube,,, I have been using a few different things and this one seems to work the best so far.. And love the smell... No worries abotu spilling in the house and cleaning in the house,, And if you run out of food to eat just spread it on some bread.....
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Well sheeeit. If you can spread frog lube on bread and enjoy that meal then that is a good thing to have cause there aint much in the way of foods/gun preserves. Well that said, maybe I should rub some of my sopapilla cheesecake on my operator and see how it holds up. I think if I coat my shotty with honey it might prevent rust, but then I will have a whole nother issue to deal with once I get out in the forest...
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After searching on BING..
It gets interesting.. SEAL1 CLP.. Track Lube... Decide for yourself. http://tracklubeplus.com/ http://www.seal1.net/ Someones opion. http://www.survivalistboards.com/sho...d.php?t=217411 and FrogLube...behind the scenes, at a glance http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=93495 I will still continue to use Slip2000EWL and SUPERLUBE for grease. |
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Rebranded products funny stuff.
The real funny thing is watching all the tacticool guys jump all over something that might be remotely tied to the teams. I'd say something but someone's kid might be reading. Ill just shake my head in disbelief Last edited by kcstott; 01-23-2013 at 12:53 PM.. |
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It's good stuff, like Gunsmith Dan said "It's not like a grease that you put on and leave on" I love that i don't have to leave a "wet" coat of this stuff on my guns.
Hell, sometimes i just coat the parts and leave them in direct sun (when it's hot enough) for a few minutes....that's plenty long, then a quick wipe and back to the safe. I've never left a wet coat on the exterior and i've NEVER had any rust issues. I do leave a bit of a wet coat around the chamber where soot begins to form after a long day of shooting... In doing so, you can just wrap a paper towel around your finger (i use the blue shop towels) when it comes time to clean and it will almost completely lift all of the soot right out. Really cuts down on time spent cleaning. I haven't used "gun scrubber" or any harsh solvents since i've been using Frog Lube. I also noticed that my Walther P22 was super finicky about ammo... It is recommended that you use the higher power stuff not the bulk federal or winchester 22LR ammo... Anything less and it won't blow the slide back far enough to eject the spent round (not all the time but enough for it to be annoying). On this particular pistol (mine) with frog lube... No feed failures! No frog lube... 1 or 2 feed failures with every mag. Get a small bottle of the liquid and the paste, you'll find you may like one more than the other. |
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You have to ask yourself a question.
before FL. What where we using that was so bad? Hoppes #9 and whatever oil. And lots of old rifles that got cleaned and lubed without FrogLube being used to this day.. |
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It funny that people who neer try it seem to be an expert on it.. |
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Hoppes 9 STINKS... and dont spill it on anything you value.. Once again a person that hasnt tried FL... New things come along from time to time that are just awesome.. And this is one of them... |
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and i have both paste and liquid. as for the new thing to come along your right. Slip2000 EWL & SUPER LUBE grease.. Damm tree huggers....Its non toxic and bio degradable. your not supposed to eat or bath in it |
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http://www.andersonrifles.net/index....l-edition.html
this rf85 stuff is pretty cool. love it on my rifle . but its weird cleaning my ar with only soap and water. going from scrubbing an m4/16 with clp to cleaning my own personal rifle with water is mind blowing . |
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Im not even going to go there....... RF-85. |
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I've been using Hoppes 9 for 25+ years to clean my weapons. It works not only as a good cleaner, but as nice aftershave. And yeah, don't get it on anything that you value. It will eat the finish off of your weapon.
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Yeah this guy sounds like a real tree hugger ....
FrogLube was founded by CAPT Larry Lasky, US Navy SEAL (ret), who spent the past 32 years in service to the United States Special Operations Command, Naval Special Warfare and to the U.S. soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines whose gallant performance he attributes to every success on any mission and on any battlefield he has served. |
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