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Old 02-12-2018, 10:10 AM
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I have a Tikka T3 in .308 and was thinking of getting a laminate or polymer stock version in 22-250. Love the .308 and the knock it gets for not being as accurate as some others doesnít effect my use at all... I like target shooting and if I decide to go hunting the accuracy is well within my specs.

Not being a rifle buff, though, makes me want to check in and see if anyone has a suggestion of what else to look into. Mostly want to target shoot but might go varminting out to (just guessing) 300 yards max. My dad has groundhogs on his property and his Krag isnít up to the task at that range. As entertaining as using the 308 for this task sounds, I would prefer something with a flatter trajectory and something less expensive per round and less cleanup if I hit something. Or maybe thereís nothing to clean up with the 308? Anyway...

Budget is up to $1200 but prefer something closer to $600.

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I have a Ruger No.1 in 22-250 and it is a tack driver.
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https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...mint+Laminated

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...2250+FL+MOBRSH

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...P+22250+22+MAT
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Also have a Ruger 77 heavy barrel in 22-250, works well, but the last time I bought ammo at Wally World it was 37$ for a box of 50. So not so inexpensive.
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Cabela's has the Savage 12 FV on sale. Normally $419, on sale for $369. $100 rebate, which makes final price $269.

They have a 26" heavy barrel and a different version of the accutrigger than most Savages. Mine tests out at 2 pounds, out of the box. If you want really flat shooting it also comes in .204 Ruger, 4225 fps.

They come in a semi-crappy plastic stock and a blind magazine. Given your budget you could buy 2 or 3 of them and keep the one you like. Have it put into a nice stock or chassis with a detachable magazine, and still have money left over.
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Also have a Ruger 77 heavy barrel in 22-250, works well, but the last time I bought ammo at Wally World it was 37$ for a box of 50. So not so inexpensive.
.223 should more than handle groundhogs and the ammo is much cheaper.

Yes, the Savage 12 FV comes in .223 too.
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:23 AM
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Or, if you want something that looks better and runs smoother than the Savage, this Howa with scope is on sale for $450:
https://www.rkguns.com/howa-ranchlan...utm_medium=cse

If the trigger is the same as on my Howa, it's pretty good. Not as good as the 12 FV, but pretty good.
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.223 should more than handle groundhogs and the ammo is much cheaper.



Yes, the Savage 12 FV comes in .223 too.

I think the velocity and flatness arenít as good with 223 but perhaps not enough to matter. I didnít research ammo prices that recently but obviously 223 has an advantage there. Well, until the zombies come and then all the 223 will disappear first but until then
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Cabela's has the Savage 12 FV on sale. Normally $419, on sale for $369. $100 rebate, which makes final price $269.



They have a 26" heavy barrel and a different version of the accutrigger than most Savages. Mine tests out at 2 pounds, out of the box. If you want really flat shooting it also comes in .204 Ruger, 4225 fps.



They come in a semi-crappy plastic stock and a blind magazine. Given your budget you could buy 2 or 3 of them and keep the one you like. Have it put into a nice stock or chassis with a detachable magazine, and still have money left over.

Iíll check out 204 Ruger. Never used it or looked into it. I think my 22-250 desire was just that itís cheaper than 308 and I have shot it before and was amazed how it performed even in windy conditions.
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Or, if you want something that looks better and runs smoother than the Savage, this Howa with scope is on sale for $450:
https://www.rkguns.com/howa-ranchlan...utm_medium=cse

If the trigger is the same as on my Howa, it's pretty good. Not as good as the 12 FV, but pretty good.

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Or, if you want something that looks better and runs smoother than the Savage, this Howa with scope is on sale for $450:
https://www.rkguns.com/howa-ranchlan...utm_medium=cse

If the trigger is the same as on my Howa, it's pretty good. Not as good as the 12 FV, but pretty good.
Remington 783 is smoother than both and it's trigger is just as good as Savage,
it's $310 https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...P+22250+22+MAT
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:53 AM
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One thing to consider with the 22-250.
Great Gun, my favorite.

Come the lead ban you will not be able to shoot the good bullets.

Mine does very well with Hornady 52 grn A-max.
I reload.

I have not been able to find a non toxic round that even comes close to the accuracy and performance that I get with the Amax.

I believe the twist rate on mine is 1:14. Factory Rem 700. VSF

Guys here that know twist rate will be able to better tell you what twist works for heavier bullets.

I have not taken the time to research.

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http://criterionbarrels.com/prefits/remington783 This is another plus for Remington and Savage. It's easy to replace barrels on them.

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One thing to consider with the 22-250.
Great Gun, my favorite.

Come the lead ban you will not be able to shoot the good bullets.

Mine does very well with Hornady 52 grn A-max.
I reload.

I have not been able to find a non toxic round that even comes close to the accuracy and performance that I get with the Amax.

I believe the twist rate on mine is 1:14. Factory Rem 700. VSF

Guys here that know twist rate will be able to better tell you what twist works for heavier bullets.

I have not taken the time to research.

just my .02
Beat me to it -

There may be a reason rifle makers go with the slower rate of twist with the 22-250 but I can't figure out why. Rather than driving 50 to 55 grain bullets a heck of alot faster than a 223 or 222 Remington I'd rather send 69 or 75 grain bullets slightly faster than those two do 50 grain bullets. I think the heaviset I can go with my Remington VSSF II is about 62 grains.

If I had to do it again I'd pay more attention to rate of twist and probably wouldn't have bought the Remington, would have added a 22-250 barrel to my Encore collection instead.
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+1 for Savage. I have the 12FCV in 22-250 and it is a tack driver right out of the box. I reload and that makes it even more precise.

I also have the 10FCP-K in 223 and it too is awesome.
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Ok last time I bought 308 it was over $1/round. Itís a lot cheaper now. The 22-250 isnít a problem for cost. 223 is so cheap theyíre practically giving it away. I have a preference for 22-250 based on ballistics but both will obviously work.
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Anyone tried the CZ offerings in this caliber or 223? I personally love their semi auto .22LR and handguns. Never tried a higher powered bolt action.
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I think the velocity and flatness aren’t as good with 223 but perhaps not enough to matter. I didn’t research ammo prices that recently but obviously 223 has an advantage there. Well, until the zombies come and then all the 223 will disappear first but until then
It's going to be well over 3000 fps out of a 26" barrel, no 16" carbines in this discussion.

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One thing to consider with the 22-250.
Great Gun, my favorite.

Come the lead ban you will not be able to shoot the good bullets.

Mine does very well with Hornady 52 grn A-max.
I reload.

I have not been able to find a non toxic round that even comes close to the accuracy and performance that I get with the Amax.

I believe the twist rate on mine is 1:14. Factory Rem 700. VSF

Guys here that know twist rate will be able to better tell you what twist works for heavier bullets.

I have not taken the time to research.

just my .02
It's 1 in 12 in the Savage I posted.

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There may be a reason rifle makers go with the slower rate of twist with the 22-250 but I can't figure out why. Rather than driving 50 to 55 grain bullets a heck of alot faster than a 223 or 222 Remington I'd rather send 69 or 75 grain bullets slightly faster than those two do 50 grain bullets. I think the heaviset I can go with my Remington VSSF II is about 62 grains.

If I had to do it again I'd pay more attention to rate of twist and probably wouldn't have bought the Remington, would have added a 22-250 barrel to my Encore collection instead.
.22-250 got popular at a time that people shooting .224 sized bullets were either:
1) shooting people
2) shooting 100 yard paper
3) shooting varmints

45 and 50 gr bullets were all the rage except for reason 1) above. So it still comes mostly in slow twist. Given that OP wants it for reason 3), he should be fine with slow twist.
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Mossberg MVP Varmint 223/5.56 would probably work perfect for what OP wants, varmints at 300 yards for sure.
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Do like the .22-250's myself. But, what's this doing in the semi-auto-gas operated thread? Ought to be in "manual" thread, correct?
Altho, a lot of good answers here.
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Do like the .22-250's myself. But, what's this doing in the semi-auto-gas operated thread? Ought to be in "manual" thread, correct?
Altho, a lot of good answers here.

Sorry thatís an oversight on my part. I saw ďcenterfireĒ and got carried away

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Ok last time I bought 308 it was over $1/round. Itís a lot cheaper now. The 22-250 isnít a problem for cost. 223 is so cheap theyíre practically giving it away. I have a preference for 22-250 based on ballistics but both will obviously work.
Look at the ballistics for the 58gr Vmax in .243 I use this round in an AR10 platform for predator hunting, works very well.
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Ditto for the wrong part of the forum - I don't usually frequent this part as my only AR is just the way I want it and I shoot bolt actions a lot more often. A thread on .22-250 in the semi=auto section did catch my attention, though.
I don't think .22-250 ammo is cheaper than .308 unless you are reloading. For groundhogs out to 300 yards, I think a .223 is fine and that ammo is cheaper than either .308 or .22-250. (And it easier to find a fast twist .223 for heavier bullets.)
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I would suggest Kimber longmaster-vt http://www.kimberamerica.com/longmaster-vt
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Whatís wrong with 300 H&H?
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Love the 22-250. That said I would recommend 223. 22-250 has enough recoil to get scope black out from recoil and not see your hits unless you are running a brake. Out to 300 I wouldn't waste the powder that the 22-250 will burn over a good 223 that does not need a brake.
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Take your pick. Sub-MOA right out of the box guaranteed and shipped free / no sales tax. With scope, or without, you'll still have serious leftover cash for a better scope, bipod, sling, cheek rest and plenty of ammo. Hate to be such a fanboy of these rifles, but they have impressed me for their utility and super accuracy at any price point.

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Well, several of you are correct that I posted in the wrong forum and that the effective range of 223 is sufficient. Plus ammo is cheaper than for 22-250. I thought the recoil on 22-250 was really low but if itís more than 223 that sort of settles it. Iíll go check out some of the recommended rifles now.

The TC looks nice as do the Savage and Remington. I think the Ruger and Kimber are pretty pricey and not sure I want to go that high but Iíll see if I can find one to check out.
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I have a Kimber Longmaster in .22-250 and it was the most frustrating rifle to get dialed in that I have had in 50 years of shooting. It took a couple hundred rounds and experimenting with just about every bullet and powder combination before I got it shooting under an inch. Also - the "match grade" chamber was way oversized, leading to an obvious expansion ring just above the base of the cartridge. I necksize to avoid case separation. When I contacted Kimber with the dimensions of the fired cases, they said it was within specs...although they are way outside SAAMI specs.

That said - it is a beautiful gun and shoots well now with neck-sized cases and the loads it likes.
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For a varmint rifle, try to get a heavier barrel than just the typical lightweight hunting contour.

The lightweight contours are for easy carrying while walking around, taking a shot or two, then walking again.

Something like a Remington varmint, medium Palma, or even a heavier tapered sporter contour will do nicely.

Especially if you plan to also do target shooting, or varmint shooting where you only need to carry the rifle for less than 100 yards from your car to your shooting location, then you can deal with the extra weight and you will appreciate that you can shoot longer strings of fire without having the groups opening up or the point of impact shifting.

The Ruger American Predator fits the bill and goes for about $450-500. It is offered in 223 Remington and also 22-250.

https://ruger.com/products/americanR...or/models.html

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Just make sure you get something with a fast enough twist. Lead free is just around the corner and they need faster twists than lead.
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Even if you can get the rifle cheap, buying ammunition for the 22-250 will be painful if you go varmint shooting. The .22-250 has better ballistics than the .223 but the difference in price over a season of varmint shooting comes to a couple hundred bucks.

If I had it to do over again, I'd consider the .17HMR for varmints. Factory ammunition is relatively cheap and the ballistics are decent.
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You can't compare the 223 to a 22-250 unless you compare a school bus to a Ferrari.
The 22-250 with a 52 grain bullet at 300 yards is a absolute lazor.
If you already have a 308 why not just put a 22-250 barrel on your current gun?
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This thread reminds me of the old VHS days and exploding varmints.
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Given your budget of 600-1200, are you open to buying used?

You can get a digital camera bore camera for $20 on eBay. Plugs into your cell phone and is a great way to look at the throat while at a gun show.

It’s easy to test the trigger on a used gun and the seat engagement... with the 22-250 I would want to see the barrel.

Is the throat worn or aligator skinned looking.. is there a river of copper all the way down the bore? Easier to negotiate price if you can show the actual condition of the throat and bore to the seller.





.22-250 is not an oddball but it is also not the most common set up to find. I have seen several over the years and they were prices right. I just never needed a varmint specific rifle.


Back in Wyoming I have shot prairie dogs with a 24” colt Hbar in .223, .243 and .308. They all zap the dogs but the .243 was the most impressive. To be fair I was shooting ball in .223 and gold metal match in 308. The .243 were jacked soft points.


They all will take the wild dogs of the prairie but I get the .22-250
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Just make sure you get something with a fast enough twist. Lead free is just around the corner and they need faster twists than lead.

Effing commies and their lead free BS
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I have a Tikka T3 in .308 and was thinking of getting a laminate or polymer stock version in 22-250. Love the .308 and the knock it gets for not being as accurate as some others doesn’t effect my use at all... I like target shooting and if I decide to go hunting the accuracy is well within my specs.

Not being a rifle buff, though, makes me want to check in and see if anyone has a suggestion of what else to look into. Mostly want to target shoot but might go varminting out to (just guessing) 300 yards max. My dad has groundhogs on his property and his Krag isn’t up to the task at that range. As entertaining as using the 308 for this task sounds, I would prefer something with a flatter trajectory and something less expensive per round and less cleanup if I hit something. Or maybe there’s nothing to clean up with the 308? Anyway...

Budget is up to $1200 but prefer something closer to $600.

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Do not forget that flatter trajectory means shorter barrel life.
I bet you would be happy with a 223 shooting 45gr hollowpoints for most of your varmint hunting shots and no center fire rifle cartridge beats the price of 223 ammo for target use.
The move from 200-300yds is a big difference and the 22-250 is nicer at 300yds.
The best situation is to have both and use the 223 inside 200 and the 22-250 when they are out past 200.
Having two guns spreads the heat across 2 barrels.
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