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Old 11-29-2017, 12:31 PM
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Default Registration of guns for Mexican hunting

I haven't been down for pheasant this year yet, but I heard from a friend of mine that we were supposed to register our guns with the US border patrol before crossing. I know that we have to register our guns with the Mexican government and do the paperwork before we cross but I never heard about having to register with the US border patrol. Anybody know anything about this?
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You are coming back with your own guns. I just don't if the ATF or FBI shares registrations across other agencies
How would US Customs/ US Border Patrol they know whom they belong to?


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Old 11-29-2017, 3:03 PM
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Go down to border and customs with your rifle. They will check your serial number and give you a stamped slip that says its yours. They don't collect information they just verify the gun and serial number. Keep the slip with you to avoid issues with US customs. Takes me 5min at the Alameda station
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Old 11-29-2017, 4:34 PM
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And it's good for life

It's a 4457 or something like that, been asked once in 50 & we still had to go into secondary.....
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Old 11-29-2017, 9:53 PM
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4457, good for life.
easy to do, I have done it twice (different guns from year before) and have taken a few guys to do it. not a big deal at all. took 5 mins at calexico office. I was told any on duty customs agent can sign it at any office, we just take care of that when we pick up other paperwork

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4457, good for life.
easy to do, I have done it twice (different guns from year before) and have taken a few guys to do it. not a big deal at all. took 5 mins at calexico office. I was told any on duty customs agent can sign it at any office, we just take care of that when we pick up other paperwork
Check with the country that you are going to. Some of the countries are taking the CBP form expiration date in the top right corner as meaning that the 4457 expires on that date.
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Check with the country that you are going to. Some of the countries are taking the CBP form expiration date in the top right corner as meaning that the 4457 expires on that date.
4457 is for the U.S. boarder patrol. and i was told multiple time by the US it was for life. 4457 has nothing to do with Mexican paperwork
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Old 11-30-2017, 8:42 PM
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4457 is for the U.S. boarder patrol. and i was told multiple time by the US it was for life. 4457 has nothing to do with Mexican paperwork

US Customs requires a form 4457 for any valuables brought abroad as proof that you owned it prior to leaving the country so that you don't have to pay Custom's duties on imported goods when you bring them back into the US. It is good for life for that purpose.

Many countries require that you have a permit from your home country to prove that you legally own the gun. The 4457 is accepted worldwide for this.
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Just a fyi, Mexican gun permits and ammo are all twisted up this year. Permits are only good for 90 days but for a fee you get a second 90 day permit to cover the season. (it used to be this way a long time ago). You can only bring in 100 rounds per gun, per permit and only on the first trip in. You can buy 14$ boxes of Mexican made Dove loads in mexico. It's high quality stuff but a scam at 14$. No duck loads are available in mexico..... Viva mexico
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Just a fyi, Mexican gun permits and ammo are all twisted up this year. Permits are only good for 90 days but for a fee you get a second 90 day permit to cover the season. (it used to be this way a long time ago). You can only bring in 100 rounds per gun, per permit and only on the first trip in. You can buy 14$ boxes of Mexican made Dove loads in mexico. It's high quality stuff but a scam at 14$. No duck loads are available in mexico..... Viva mexico
i dont know what uma you hunt, but we have duck loads available to us
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Just a fyi, Mexican gun permits and ammo are all twisted up this year. Permits are only good for 90 days but for a fee you get a second 90 day permit to cover the season. (it used to be this way a long time ago). You can only bring in 100 rounds per gun, per permit and only on the first trip in. You can buy 14$ boxes of Mexican made Dove loads in mexico. It's high quality stuff but a scam at 14$. No duck loads are available in mexico..... Viva mexico
Just got back from a Mexico duck hunt. Iíve taken a gun down before but not in a long time - too much of a hassle. Ammo used was aguila (think thatís the spelling), 12 gauge, #4 lead - price is high but also high for the outfitters. We shot benellis, berettas and they had an ata (Turkish gun). I shot an m2, supervinci and a300. All were reliable. Stock m2 fit me best. I use an a300 for hunting but have extra spacers/pad in the stock. Iím going to bring a slip on recoil pad next time to increase the lop.
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Old 12-03-2017, 4:37 AM
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Yes Mexico allows lead on all game birds including Ducks and Geese.
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2 3/4" lead #4 was the classic duck load before steel. I still have boxes of the stuff

Surprised its not covered under the Migratory Bird Treaty though
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Lead on ducks?
Yeah - lead on ducks. They should switch to steel.

Interesting talking to the owner of the hunting lodge. A person can purchase no more than 10 shotguns. He purchases them from the military and goes to a military warehouse (Mexico City I think) and selects from whatís in stock.

Usually, shotguns are Benellis and Berettas, although Iíve seen Remingtonís and he had an ATA (Turkish made) shotgun out there this year. Benellis and Berettas do well. Back in the day, they used Remington 870ís. However, most clients preferred a semi auto.

They canít have a handgun larger than .38 super and rifle cartridge larger than 270. I didnít ask if he could get semi auto rifles.
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2 3/4" lead #4 was the classic duck load before steel. I still have boxes of the stuff

Surprised its not covered under the Migratory Bird Treaty though
Yep & yep
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to my understanding its covered. like most things in mex its hard to get documentation on anything. I have been checked by profepa in the field and they did check to see that non toxic was being used.


its pointless anyways there are no ducks in mexico

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to my understanding its covered. like most things in mex its hard to get documentation on anything. I have been checked by profepa in the field and they did check to see that non toxic was being used.


its pointless anyways there are no ducks in mexico



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4457 is for the U.S. boarder patrol. and i was told multiple time by the US it was for life. 4457 has nothing to do with Mexican paperwork
Try going to Africa with a 4457 that isn't on the most current form. If the expiration date on the 4457 is expired, they will not honor it. Yes, US recognizes the form for life, but many countries that you're bringing your firearms into will not.

YMMV, may cause bleeding, buyer beware, so on and so on....
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Try going to Africa with a 4457 that isn't on the most current form. If the expiration date on the 4457 is expired, they will not honor it. Yes, US recognizes the form for life, but many countries that you're bringing your firearms into will not.

YMMV, may cause bleeding, buyer beware, so on and so on....
I cannot foment on Africa, as I have never been. all I am commenting on is Mexico. my 4457s don't have a expiration date on them. when we drive over to Mexico we show the tourism people and military our mexican firearms permit. the military checks the serial #s, counts ammo, the tourism peoraon makes copys and says enjoy. the 4457 never comes out the truck.
on the way back into the US we hand 4457 and passport to US border agent. he asks what were you in mexico for?
are you bringing any game back? sometimes he checks serial #s sometimes he doesn't. then they usually ask how the hunt was and scans our passports and says have a good day.

results may vary if you go to africa
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Go down to border and customs with your rifle. They will check your serial number and give you a stamped slip that says its yours. They don't collect information they just verify the gun and serial number. Keep the slip with you to avoid issues with US customs. Takes me 5min at the Alameda station
This right here and it's good as long as you have the paperwork, no expiration.
I have one for each firearm I travel with, you produce it when asked by customs, usually on re-entry.
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We used to fly down to Los Mochis in our Navajo. Very long time ago. Hunt ducks at dawn go get breakfast then fish for black bass or quail hunt. Wonderful time to be there in early 80s. We did not have labrador retreivers we had 12 year old Mexican kid retreivers that brought shells and Carta Blanca and we gave most birds to the family. Had some cooked down there and flew home. Never n issue our guides were the federale wardens at that time. We would bring goodies in the big twin we flew they did not have. Little things like kids y toys and makeup and toiletries that were hard for locals to come by. We loved how they treated us and how we treated them. Never be an ugly American down there. Never flash a big wad of cash. P0r favor and de nada goes a long way and Con permisso
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Wait, they opened a hunting season for Mexicans?
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Wait, they opened a hunting season for Mexicans?
My dad had an invite to hunt quail in Mexico. When he went to the local Sheriff to get his Mexican hunting license (or required info), he was asked what the limit on them was.
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