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My 1858 Rem new Army came in today
But the powder did not. *sigh* I could go make some but I will be patient.
I decided to get another 1858 before our law makers find some way to band the to the door service for BP Cap-n-ball weapons. Now to go out and buy more cig rolling paper and make up some paper cartridges for easier reloading. Anyways, happy day is a day with BP. Need to find some conical bullets though.
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Would you be opposed to grinding some FF into FFF?
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Try Track of the Wolf or Dixie for the conicals.
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@Tom: I am in Nor Cal, Glenn County, the I-5 Neighbor to Butte. Though what would be really awesome would be the HBWC that I hear are like unicorns and are rare as hell but shoot the most accurately of all the bullet types available.
Ok, Pics you want, pics you get. You know what I love about the 1858 RNA? It fits my man sized hands! That's what. Just to steam ya'll I called them while the 100% free shipping was available and finagled a free shipping, even free Hazmat. Always CALL!! Cabela's.. yeah.
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Too bad I'm in San Diego.
Now what you should do is get it converted to 41 Colt and shoot heelbase cartridges in it. http://cartridgeconversion.com/SERVICES.php
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Caps are on the extremely rare side right now. You can mix your own cap compound pretty easily if your a chemistry buff and have a tap-o-cap. Right now there isnt much supply for caps anywhere.
Another option is ring-caps, they work well enough. I've used them. They are also pretty corrosive. As for powder, there are some places in so-cal that stock Real Black Powder, substitutes have fair availability. Limit 1# for real BP however.
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I've been looking at an Uberti 1862 'Pocket Navy' Slightly hard to come by, all the big sites are sold out, but still doable.
I really like the case color/hardening and the smaller profile, but I am still looking around. Last edited by SanPedroShooter; 09-04-2013 at 5:02 PM.. |
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Obviously that changes the status of the firearm, does that matter legally speaking? I mean for someone that is not prohibited from owning a title I firearm. Are the cartridge cylinders controlled in any way? Last edited by SanPedroShooter; 09-05-2013 at 8:40 AM.. |
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I have a short-barreled 1858 Remington in .44 and a Rogers & Spencer .44. Love them both!
I used to own a LeMat, until I realized shooting a LeMat is much cooler than owning one.
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The clay pits
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The clay pits
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I have a friend that works at Berretta, so I can get 30% off.
But no Pocket Navies. I think I am going to get the full size. They do make a pocket gun, but I'm not sure about that one. |
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When do you plan to be there next? I also have a Pietta 1858 and plenty of caps and powder.
It could be Smokefest 2013. Oh, and .454 balls. I have lots of balls.
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You can pick up real black powder at Martin B Rettings. I think that's the closest source to San Pedro. If you shoot at Angeles Shooting Range, they sell real black powder in the office, along with caps and balls. OP, range report when you shoot that, please.
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As for having someone else do it - it took me about an hour with a dremel. It's that easy. You need a dremel, a couple of 60 grip sanding drums (one is enough, actually), a 240 grit sanding drum (or whatever else you want to use for polishing), a vise, some masking tape, and something to cold blue the loading gate (I used Brownells Dircopan T4 Creme and then 2 coats of Oxpho Blue Creme. It matched the original bluing on my Cimarron 1858 well). Oh, and I used a Kirst Konverter. You don't have to do the full conversion either, you can just replace the cylinder (Kirst, Howard, and a third company, I forgot its name, make these). But then you have to change the cylinder to reload. I went with a full gated conversion.
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Legally, you're just making your own firearm, which is legal. Since the revolver already has a long enough barrel and OAL, and it's single-action, it's roster-exempt, so no issues there.
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I've found ordering black powder online to be much cheaper. Places like Back Creek or Jack's will ship 25lbs to you for $300. I've ordered from both places in the past, and I've received shipments within 2 weeks (UPS ground only). Note that while Back Creek still has the wingless musket caps on their site, they are actually out of stock and cannot get anymore. RWS either does not produce them anymore or pulled them from this market.
Jacks: http://www.jackspowderkeg.com/#!page2/cjg9 Back Creek: http://www.blackpowderva.com/
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I'm thinking of buying a .36 1858 and converting it, to complement the .45 Colt 12" revolver and carbine I already have.
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41 LC is .386 in dia uses a heel based bullet like a 22 LR.
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This is from a guy that does conversions.
"41 Colt Conversion Tired of the hassles associated with the "38" caliber navy Cylinders? Want more ACCURACY? How about more POWER? Here is the solution: I ream the chambers and throats of your cylinder to accept 41 Colt INSIDE LUBED cartridges. The nominal bore size of the 36 caliber cap and ball revolvers is close enough to the .386 size of the inside lubed 41 Colt as long as you use soft cast bullets. This is still a handload proposition as the factories have not produced this caliber since the 70's or 80's. I provide a tutorial showing how to fireform cases cheaply from 38 Special cases and I sell the correct bullet sizer and bullet Moulds. No Heel Base bullet hassles No Hollow Base bullets hassles For more info: http://cartridgeconversion.com/Home_Page.php
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Navy or Pocket Navy?
I can get 30% off the standard Navy, but I really like the pocket Navy. Anyone have an opinion? The only difference is 2 1/2 inches on the barrel and one less shot. Last edited by SanPedroShooter; 09-06-2013 at 6:06 PM.. |
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.44 cal. There was a mold produced, i've seen the bullets once, long ago. .454" HBWC lead bullets for muzzle loading.
Rare as unicorns. I know of no one produce a mold today. They are lighter and work really well and seal well because of the hollow base. If the wife is feeling better we will take it out tomorrow morning. Need to finish zeroing the AK-74 at 100Y. Assuming my Kyhber pass style scope mount holds.
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The reason for that is the pocket sized frame was designed to hold a cylinder with 5 shots of 31 caliber (like the 1849 pocket and 1849 Wells Fargo). Making that frame hold 5 shots of 36 caliber means making the front of the cylinder larger to hold the larger bullets. Hence the step. How big of a deal the difference in frame size it, I cannot say. Again, I've never shot any of the pocket guns. But technically, there is a difference.
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The plan was tomorrow morning, but the wife isn't feeling well. We will see how she feels in the morning. I am a bit concerned actually. If not tomorrow then early sunday.
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Full size 1861 Colt on top and a 1862 Police on bottom.
BTW both are .36 Cal. NOTE: The 1862 is a Uberti, you'll notice Pietta also offers one but its a 6 shot? How can that be? Because its really a full size with a short barrel and fluted cylinder, nice but not a true size 1862.
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Plus the discount and availability. I can use the extra 90 bucks to get supplies. Which one do you like better? |
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Although not historically correct if I were looking for a Colt I'd get the Pietta 1862 but if a Remington I'd get the 1858 with a 5.5 inch barrel also a Pietta.
The .44 cal are easier to shoot IMO but the .36 aren't all that bad, also get a steel frame just in case you want a conversion cylinder later. The cylinder wedge on new Piettas can be hard to remove the first time but after that not a problem http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot...3Bcat104503680
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