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Old 09-17-2018, 7:13 PM
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With the variation in process, requirements, and number of firearms through various counties, confusion should be understandable.

Still, 5 year renewal would be nice.
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And how would that be?
Easier/quicker access, foam cutouts for organization.

Especially if we're going to have to qualify with all three at every renewal. I only shot 2 at my renewal, and I felt like I was juggling.
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With the variation in process, requirements, and number of firearms through various counties, confusion should be understandable.

Still, 5 year renewal would be nice.
Absolutely.

On the live-fire requirement, it will be a bigger impact on us than counties that run private training.
We're stuck with one range that is already overloaded. Counties that accept private training, there are dozens of classrooms and a dozen or so indoor ranges available, plus private training can be on a more flexible timetable... or if one wants to pay extra, personal 1 on 1 training.

The drawback, the county would lose control over curriculum, and there would also be complaints from people who can't pass standards that a private trailer may set that are beyond the current county standards.

Personally, I think anyone carrying a firearm in public should work toward being able to pass the NRA Defensive Handgun class... but I don't feel that it should be a legal or policy requirement for a person to be able to defend themselves.
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Easier/quicker access, foam cutouts for organization.

Especially if we're going to have to qualify with all three at every renewal. I only shot 2 at my renewal, and I felt like I was juggling.
I thought you had a San Bernardino Co CCW?
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I thought you had a San Bernardino Co CCW?
Modified... dropped the G26 and G36 and added a P380 and G30SF
I was referring to AB-2103 possibly requiring us to requalify every renewal if Brown signs it.
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Old 09-18-2018, 6:10 AM
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Modified... dropped the G26 and G36 and added a P380 and G30SF
I was referring to AB-2103 possibly requiring us to requalify every renewal if Brown signs it.
Gottcha...slight confusion when you said you were renewing. I know in SB you only have to go to the range for ADDITIONS.
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No recent updates here, only thing I know of is that Brown signed AB2103 on Sept. 26th
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our thread has gotten very boring.....

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does seem so
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Things may starting hopping again when the next renewal letter/info goes out.
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I just renewed
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I’m taking my renewal paperwork in on Friday, wish they could pass the law for 5 year issuance.
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Interested to see how San Bernardino handles the new law, and how far it sets the renewal process back with the new range time requirements.
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Interested to see how San Bernardino handles the new law, and how far it sets the renewal process back with the new range time requirements.
They may be forced to sanction/accept private instruction... at least for the range qualification for renewals if not classroom and initial applications.
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Old 10-11-2018, 8:22 AM
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I’m taking my renewal paperwork in on Friday, wish they could pass the law for 5 year issuance.
Do you have your class date yet?
Expire when?
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Absolutely.

On the live-fire requirement, it will be a bigger impact on us than counties that run private training.
We're stuck with one range that is already overloaded. Counties that accept private training, there are dozens of classrooms and a dozen or so indoor ranges available, plus private training can be on a more flexible timetable... or if one wants to pay extra, personal 1 on 1 training.

The drawback, the county would lose control over curriculum, and there would also be complaints from people who can't pass standards that a private trailer may set that are beyond the current county standards.

Personally, I think anyone carrying a firearm in public should work toward being able to pass the NRA Defensive Handgun class... but I don't feel that it should be a legal or policy requirement for a person to be able to defend themselves.
Why can't the county demand minimum curriculum requirements for private training? It'd take work, but it'd be a heck of a lot less resource-intensive than doing all the training themselves.
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Old 10-17-2018, 4:28 PM
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Why can't the county demand minimum curriculum requirements for private training? It'd take work, but it'd be a heck of a lot less resource-intensive than doing all the training themselves.
They can if they want to.

Part of me hopes they do and part of me hopes they don't.
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Okay I have one that I've never heard before.

My friend had to reschedule his first appointment. He made it to the second appointment date. Appointment number 2 was back in May. In late July I asked him if he had heard anything. He said not yet.

So I had forgotten to check with him until earlier today. When he replied he said that they want to have a second interview. He's now scheduled for a second interview on December 3rd.

He said that he called Sarah and she said that this is not uncommon. I've never heard of this before. Anyone else ever hear of this happening?

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So I had forgotten to check with him until earlier today. When he replied he said that they want to have a second interview. He's now scheduled for a second interview on December 3rd.

He said that he called Sarah and she said that this is not uncommon. I've never heard of this before. Anyone else ever hear of this happening?
May have uncovered something in background that they want to clarify?
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May have uncovered something in background that they want to clarify?
Honorable discharge from the Navy. Several years working for one of the few firearms manufacturers in the state of California. Never did anything worse than I did in highschool. I know because we did a lot of it together. I'm not sure what they might be looking at.

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Anyone renew lately? I’m going in tomorrow to turn paperwork in for first renewal. It says We just drop off paperwork anytime during working hours. I noticed on their website they have 2 links for renewal info, one says 3 usps money orders for 52,38,25. Another says 52,39,28, I assume the higher amounts are the updated amounts?Also the app says not to fill out section 7 but the older renewal letter says to fill out but don’t sign.

I just want to be sure I’m good to go and have everything.
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Anyone renew lately? I’m going in tomorrow to turn paperwork in for first renewal. It says We just drop off paperwork anytime during working hours. I noticed on their website they have 2 links for renewal info, one says 3 usps money orders for 52,38,25. Another says 52,39,28, I assume the higher amounts are the updated amounts?Also the app says not to fill out section 7 but the older renewal letter says to fill out but don’t sign.

I just want to be sure I’m good to go and have everything.
The higher amount is in a newer version of the renewal info.
Two choices call and ask or take the higher amounts.
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^^^ that’s what I planned on
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Two questions concerning CCW while on the job - the Sheriff's Dept says not to use their CCW for employment.
1. Is there an option in San Bernardino to get a permit for employment? My son has his exposed firearms permit as a guard, but his employers are talking about also hiring/using armed escorts/bodyguards.
2. If you have your CCW and carry concealed while employed as a guard, but not as a "condition of employment?"
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Two questions concerning CCW while on the job - the Sheriff's Dept says not to use their CCW for employment.
1. Is there an option in San Bernardino to get a permit for employment? My son has his exposed firearms permit as a guard, but his employers are talking about also hiring/using armed escorts/bodyguards.
2. If you have your CCW and carry concealed while employed as a guard, but not as a "condition of employment?"
Really?
CCW is for personal protection. 'Your son' needs to look into what he needs for 'his job'.
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Two questions concerning CCW while on the job - the Sheriff's Dept says not to use their CCW for employment.
1. Is there an option in San Bernardino to get a permit for employment? My son has his exposed firearms permit as a guard, but his employers are talking about also hiring/using armed escorts/bodyguards.
2. If you have your CCW and carry concealed while employed as a guard, but not as a "condition of employment?"
This is exactly why the permit states on the back "Not valid for employment"
The application asks if the permit is required for employment, but when the permit is issued, "condition of employment" goes out the window and becomes "a function of employment"

It is legal for (virtually) anyone to carry while at work, other than security guards and body guards.
BSIS has procedures to follow for obtaining an employment-related CCW just as they do for LOC. That is the process that SBSD wants guards to follow.

The advantage of having a County CCW in addition to the BSIS permit is there is no "underlap" that would require one to disarm when leaving the job site or arriving at the job site.
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Really?
CCW is for personal protection. 'Your son' needs to look into what he needs for 'his job'.
I don't quite get the quotation marks around 'your son' and 'his job.' Are you questioning that he is my son and that he is employed as an armed guard with an exposed firearms permit?

There are knowledgeable people here - hence the reason for my question.

Thank you, Cokebottle, for an actual answer to my question. The option is to seek a CCW from BSIS.
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I took my renewal paperwork in to the office the first week of October. This was my first renewal, I was a bit anxious about it. I left the section 7 blank as the instructions said. It was early in the morning not long after they had opened so there was no line I walked right in. They went over the paperwork then sent me out to fill in section 7 in the waiting room. I'm not sure why. Section 7 is a repeat of the earlier information, but they wanted it done by hand there. I had the classroom 11 October and received my permit a week later. Much much easier than the original process.
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I took mine in last Friday. I had everything filled out including section except signatures they want in person. No issues and no interview questions at all. And yes use the amounts listed in the 2018/2019 renewal letter. Very easy.
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Do you have your class date yet?
Expire when?
There is no class for renewals. It is a walk in appointment, drop off paperwork and wait. If adding a weapon it is also a walk in range day. I was given a list of days and times to pick from. So far it seems pretty painless. I filed last Friday so that made it about 90 days before expiration.
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There is no class for renewals. It is a walk in appointment, drop off paperwork and wait. If adding a weapon it is also a walk in range day. I was given a list of days and times to pick from. So far it seems pretty painless. I filed last Friday so that made it about 90 days before expiration.
There is a 4 hour class.... you should have been given a class date when you dropped off your renewal.
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Old 10-22-2018, 10:41 PM
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There is no class for renewals. It is a walk in appointment, drop off paperwork and wait. If adding a weapon it is also a walk in range day. I was given a list of days and times to pick from. So far it seems pretty painless. I filed last Friday so that made it about 90 days before expiration.
As Cokebottle already commented there is in fact a renewal class.
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There is a 4 hour class.... you should have been given a class date when you dropped off your renewal.
Yes, I stand corrected. There is no class date assigned though. I was told pick a day and walk in. I will call ahead anyway since I don't like surprises.
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Yes, I stand corrected. There is no class date assigned though. I was told pick a day and walk in. I will call ahead anyway since I don't like surprises.
You were told wrong. The classrooms only hold so many people so they need to limit attendance.
Have you even read the renewal letter?
http://wp.sbcounty.gov/sheriff/wp-co...ne-7-13-18.pdf
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I took my renewal paperwork in to the office the first week of October. This was my first renewal, I was a bit anxious about it. I left the section 7 blank as the instructions said. It was early in the morning not long after they had opened so there was no line I walked right in. They went over the paperwork then sent me out to fill in section 7 in the waiting room. I'm not sure why. Section 7 is a repeat of the earlier information, but they wanted it done by hand there. I had the classroom 11 October and received my permit a week later. Much much easier than the original process.
The instruction letter says to fill out section 7. I think they are looking at streamlining the process even more.
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You were told wrong. The classrooms only hold so many people so they need to limit attendance.
Have you even read the renewal letter?
http://wp.sbcounty.gov/sheriff/wp-co...ne-7-13-18.pdf
Wow, aren't you *****ly over something that has no affect on you. Things change, like filling out section 7 in advance. Here is what I was given and verbally told. Just show. The only contact # is the CCW office so what would be the point of calling?

Editing to add, the dates you refer to in the renewal letter have come and gone so i guess I missed my chance?

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Wow, aren't you *****ly over something that has no affect on you. Things change, like filling out section 7 in advance. Here is what I was given and verbally told. Just show. The only contact # is the CCW office so what would be the point of calling?
Those are the range qualification dates/times for modifications.
Look at the dates... 2pm on Saturday or 6pm on Wednesday.
That is NOT the classroom, which is held at HQ at 1pm on a Tuesday, and afternoons and evenings in Rancho, Hesperia, or Yucky Valley.

See .38spl''s posted letter for the classroom dates/times.
If you were not given a classroom date please call Sarah and get scheduled in.

In my case, since my expiration is January and I did not have the schedule for the 2017 classes, I called in August. Sarah booked me in for a class that was just inside the 90 day window, I brought my renewal app in the week before class.
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Editing to add, the dates you refer to in the renewal letter have come and gone so i guess I missed my chance?
When is your expiration?
Classes remaining this year are 1pm Nov 13 at HQ, or 1pm Nov 6 at Rancho.
If you can't get into one of those classes, you're screwed until January.
You also need to bring your money order with you to the classroom session... NOT to the range. There is no fee for range time for modifications.
This differs from initial applications where classroom AND qualification are at the range on the same day.
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Wow, aren't you *****ly over something that has no affect on you. Things change, like filling out section 7 in advance. Here is what I was given and verbally told. Just show. The only contact # is the CCW office so what would be the point of calling?

Editing to add, the dates you refer to in the renewal letter have come and gone so i guess I missed my chance?

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You really need to work on your reading skills.
The list you posted is for the range/adding a weapon not the renewal class.
As for the link I posted there are still dates in November.
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