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If that was a risk for the red state legislators, the legislation would have already been passed. Somehow, I don't see your scenario playing out. Great idea though.
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Isn't there an action on this today? Is there a page we can find what happened once it makes its slow grind through the bureaucracy? |
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On page 2 of this thread, you can find the case # and link to the court website. This will give you all the dates and uploaded Docs. Maybe one of the Attorneys will come by and give an update on how argument went.
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I doubt at this level of court there is any video. If you go to the on-line case file, you can find who the court reporter is and probably order the transcript from her.
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Rachael Espinoza Listing of Court Reporters: http://www.fresno.courts.ca.gov/cour...0Directory.htm Rachael Espinoza CSR Lic #:13815 Fresno,CA 93711 Ph#: 559-221-9000 E-mail: rcespinoza_csr@yahoo.com For Case #: 17CECG03093 Recorded on 5/25 Last edited by BeAuMaN; 05-27-2018 at 9:58 PM.. |
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I think our Loss was just posted. I'm reading it now.
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Case # 17CECG03093 https://publicportal.fresno.courts.c...e/Dashboard/29
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Where? Is there a link?
Edit: Guessing it's this: https://publicportal.fresno.courts.c...4bM8femhY0?p=0 Last edited by glug; 05-30-2018 at 2:11 PM.. |
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Yep, this was rough to read. Court gave DOJ way too much leeway to "fill in the blanks."
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Basically the DOJ can now write there own law. So much for checks and balances.
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I had to quit reading just before the end. I am appalled.
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This wording on page 4 also scares me a little:
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Page 4 is background info...keep going to the Judge's analysis to be scared...
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More like... appeal and no injunction.
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By the way: the judge's interpretation implies the current AWCA fully encompasses featureless rifles as well, given that the reloading of a button-less, feature-less rifle is faster than a BB'd rifle: Quote:
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Well.... I can fathom, but not in public |
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...the challenged regulations appear to carry out the intention of the Legislature, i.e., to require registration of “bullet button” firearms, based on the “finding that each firearm has such a high rate of fire and capacity for firepower that its function as a legitimate sports or recreational firearm is substantially outweighed by the danger that it can be used to kill and injure human beings.”
Yikes. Not hard to see where this can potentially go. |
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I ****ing hate this state
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Wishful (more like fantasy) thinking on my part... because if the tables were turned, sure as sht the govt would get an injunction.
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No good, unfortunately.
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The quote wasn't part of the ruling, specifically, but it was how the judge chose to summarize the background/history of the lawsuit. It's scary because it gives insight in to how these judges really think/feel.
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The way I read it ANY firearm with a removable feeding device is now defined as an Assault Weapon and must be registered. This appears to ensnare the M1, M1A, Mini 14&30, and ANY other firearm with a detachable feeding device.
Am I correct in reading the Judges Decision? Well IF the constitution and Bill of Rights are laws restricting Government, (ALL BRANCHES), then the Legislative and Judicial are beyond their authority. |
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What's disturbing is their "Post" registration regulation of not removing the mag lock. The "intent of the Legislators" was a mag lock was just as fast as a regular mag release (a loophole in the law). And as such, these are to be registered as an AW (mag lock=regular mag release). So why would these need to remain on after approved registration? Based on the Judges "intent of the Legislators", the mag-lock should go bye bye after registration approval. Prior to approval, it should stay on to fit their new "category 4" registration. But after, no. It's just like any other AW (per the Legislators) and is even listed with past legally registered AW's on the approval letter you receive. This is the argument I think our atty's should use. It's now been validated by a judge.
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Or, it gives insight into how little some of these judges understand what they're ruling on when they make their rulings.
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I got official notification today from Michel & Associates since I am one of the named plaintiffs in this mess. Now I have to decide if I turn in my receiver for destruction, register, or go featureless. I really hate those options.
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I honestly cannot speak to what cases were won based on the Heller decision. Which one are you referring to?
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Pretty sure McDonald was an outgrowth of Heller. I also think the previous poster is implying that the ruling in Heller that the 2nd is a fundamental right is what has (so far) prevented cities like SF from completely banning firearms.
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We all know what's next. Newscum signs the semi-auto ban that moonbeam vetoed. The only thing left for us to do is bet whether pistols are included. |
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wow.....things just keep getting worse for us in the state. This combined with Gavin Newsom coming into office I am quickly losing any hope I held on to for 2A rights in this state.
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