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Old 07-20-2009, 10:30 AM
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How many of you California citizen/gun owners would assist a police officer trying to make an arrest or one being jumped by gang-bangers!

This is common practice in many rural locales where most folks have rifle racks in their trucks and intercede to help a police officer in difficulty. Not to imply a weapon is needed in each incident, but it is there for a reason. I would think most police officers support the 2nd Amendment as well as concealed carry with a CCW.

Many cops have had citizens jump in and help them subdue a bad-guy even some who were armed. I had citizens help me on several occasions back a few years. Times and attitudes change over time -- so what would you do?
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:41 AM
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I had a citizen help be wrestle down a drug crazed suspect. I was fighting with the guy on the ground and he was across the street. He came over and pinned the guy allowing me to get into a cuffing position. I was glad he helped since it probably saved me from some injuries.
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I would definitely jump in and help an LEO if I saw he needed assistance, no questions.
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Absolutely. And I'd use any and everything at my disposal as a weapon (truck, 6 cell maglite, 7 lb fire extinguisher, 5" folder I carry, etc.) to assist them. But then I've been accused of going around looking for confrontation.

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I have before, and I'd do it again without hesitation. I have a great deal of respect for (most) police officers, and if/when I see they need help, I'm 100% willing.

There was a show the other day on Spike that had a video clip of a cop wrestling with a suspect. The cop was very nearly getting his *** kicked, and almost had his gun taken out of its holster by the attacker. It was a very scary video to watch, and was even more disturbing by the fact that probably a dozen people walked right past the fight without offering assistance. During an interview with the cop afterwards, he said he couldn't blame the people for not jumping in. I sure did though.

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I'd loved to help....

But the issue is.... when the PD's backups come, they may mistake you as one of the bad guys....
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During an interview with the cop afterwards, he said he couldn't blame the people for not jumping in. I sure did though.
I saw another video where just the opposite happened. The LEO was not doing well and his gun was in question, a bystander came across the street, the cop yelled for help, and the two subdued the guy. The best thing the cop did when it got to that point was to ask for help.
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I'd jump right in- we expect them to be there for us, we should be there for them.
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I would even though I'm getting older... hahaha!

Makes me wonder about the N. Hollywood bank robbery scenario. Guys are shooting the place up, LEOs are going down, non-combatants are going down, you have your favorite rifle, it's a clear shot from your front yard fenceline behind cover... do you take the shot? Is it legal?
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I would help if they needed it (same goes for any non leo's that need help)
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My brother-in-law's friend spotted a guy beating on a Mass State Trooper.
The Trooper was a woman and was out of her league. So the friend drives
across the median at high speed, across the road, jumps out and goes at
it with the BG. He gets a few bumps and cuts, but saves the day.

But in this case corruption works the right way. He will never get a speeding ticket on a highway in Mass.
He has tried a few times, but no Trooper will sign a ticket.

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Be sure to identify yourself before you jump in
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I would even though I'm getting older... hahaha!

Makes me wonder about the N. Hollywood bank robbery scenario. Guys are shooting the place up, LEOs are going down, non-combatants are going down, you have your favorite rifle, it's a clear shot from your front yard fenceline behind cover... do you take the shot? Is it legal?
no DA would press charges and no jury would convict you...
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I'd loved to help....

But the issue is.... when the PD's backups come, they may mistake you as one of the bad guys....
Exactly - how does that work? Back up comes around the corner to see you wrestling with the officer and another civilian. So they start beating/ tazing/shooting everything not in a uniform right?

Question for the offiers - what do you do in a situation like that where you get a call officer down or officer in need of backup and you turn the corner and see him wrestling with two civi's. Answer honestly now! What would you do?
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Old 07-20-2009, 12:39 PM
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if it was a wrestling match yes, if the suspect is displaying a weapon no.
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Question for the offiers - what do you do in a situation like that where you get a call officer down or officer in need of backup and you turn the corner and see him wrestling with two civi's. Answer honestly now! What would you do?
I had that happen once when I showed up at an 11-99 assist... when you've got a uniformed officer, and a guy in civilian clothes essentially side-by-side with a crackhead looking dude under them squirming and yelling, it's not too hard to figure out who's good and who's bad. I assumed he was off-duty until it was over and I learned otherwise.
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i wouldn't be surprised if the suspect later files a civil suit against you, especially in california
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i wouldn't be surprised if the suspect later files a civil suit against you, especially in california
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I'd loved to help....

But the issue is.... when the PD's backups come, they may mistake you as one of the bad guys....
Those are the 2 main factors that I generally don't get involved unless it's a life and death situation. It's a sad attitude, I know.
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I would do exactly as expected by LE and be a good wittness. I would dial 911 on my cell phone and wait for help to arrive.
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we expect them to be there for us,
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I would do exactly as expected by LE and be a good wittness. I would dial 911 on my cell phone and wait for help to arrive.
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Old 07-20-2009, 1:18 PM
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LEO are people too. It's not any different than watching a victim of a crime get his/her butt kicked. If you watch and stand there, you are just another bad guy yourself. No ifs, ands or buts about it. If you are capable, it's the right thing to do.
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I would even though I'm getting older... hahaha!

Makes me wonder about the N. Hollywood bank robbery scenario. Guys are shooting the place up, LEOs are going down, non-combatants are going down, you have your favorite rifle, it's a clear shot from your front yard fenceline behind cover... do you take the shot? Is it legal?
You are in an immediate defense of life situation...fire away.
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I watch CHP do 90+ without their lights.

I have a hard time respecting law enforcement officers who don't actually follow the laws themselves.

Maybe they're only like that in Orange County, but I could be wrong.
How else are they suppose to catch people speeding on the freeways?
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I helped a guy out once that was being beat very badly by a cop.
This was back in Ireland, and the cop was drunk
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No need to get involved and I don't always automatically assume that the LEO is always in the right. I don't want that on my conscience. Let him call backup.
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I will allways stop and assist a LEO in need.
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That civil suit is why I would stop and think about it.
Now if the leo's union would get a protection law passed to prevent such. I would be all over the bad guy.

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I have assisted PD many times, and I would again.
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If the guy looks like he is in danger and there is an opening where I could possibly assist, sure.
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How many of you California citizen/gun owners would assist a police officer trying to make an arrest or one being jumped by gang-bangers!
I have assisted a LEO who was struggling trying to gain control of someone they just arrested. No big deal at the time though later I did feel very bad for the person that was apprehended as they were clearly as poor as dirt and about as smart as a sack of hammers. Edited to add: I did ask the LEO "do you want my help?" prior to jumping in.

I would assist again in a heartbeat. It's in the DNA.

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Makes me wonder about the N. Hollywood bank robbery scenario. Guys are shooting the place up, LEOs are going down, non-combatants are going down, you have your favorite rifle, it's a clear shot from your front yard fenceline behind cover... do you take the shot? Is it legal?
I would take the shot in half a heartbeat. When innocent lives are at risk there just isn't any other option. What are you going to do, turn the TV up so you can't hear people getting shot and dying?

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I'd help if I could, especially if it was a female officer.
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How many of you California citizen/gun owners would assist a police officer trying to make an arrest or one being jumped by gang-bangers!

-- so what would you do?
I would follow their lead....

As their #1 priority is going home safe to their families, so is mine. why put my giblets on the line unnecessarily with no personal ability to guarantee their safety?

...since you asked....

now, if I were legally able to ccw, that would be different. but I cant. their loss....

a different, but related question might be "how can we work together, as responsibly armed citizens?"

that seems to go further towards building consensus instead of an us vs them mentality, which I am only echoing...not promoting.

either way, theirs is a thankless job that causes them to dwell amongst the worst of humanity. I applaud their desire to participate. I believe in their right to carry any defensive tool that allows them to do this super-tough job and make it home in one piece each day.

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i wouldn't be surprised if the suspect later files a civil suit against you, especially in california

It's called the "Good Samaritan Law". It prevents someone from suing you if you are trying to save someones life, and something goes wrong. If and officer is in need of help and you assist him, you are saving his life. The perp can try to sue you, but the case will be dismissed, because your lawyer will use the Good Samaritan Law to get you out of it.
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I did it, I was younger then... The cop was very appreciative, even though I broke the knuckleheads arm and caused a lot of paperwork... The down side was I spent two days in court for the arraignment... Being a witness sucks....
The cop and I became friends… and would get together for a beer from time to time…
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