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Old 03-26-2014, 7:27 AM
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Default savage 300 win mag 111 hand load groups!

Hey guys, what do you think of these groups out of my 300 win mag. I am a pretty novice shooter and hunter. I have shot a couple of different factory non lead ammo and could not get the gun to group. I tried Hornady superformance and wihchester with nosler etips. Nothing under and inch and a half. So I decided to give hand loading a try and WOW. 165GR Barnes with once fired Remington cases Winchester LMR primers and some IMR 4831.

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Old 03-26-2014, 7:57 AM
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I think I finally got the link to work. Sorry about that
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How many yards?
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How many yards?
It was at 100 yards. I will be going out again and actually getting zeroed. Only made enough to test for grouping
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Anything under MOA is perfectly fine for a hunting gun.

Now shoot those same loads at 300 yards and see how they group. If your still in MOA, I'd call it good.
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^^^^^ I was gonna say at 200 but what he said.
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I will be heading out and see what the groups look like at further ranges.
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I owned that rifle in 338 lapua. Your rifle can do much better. IMO it's not time to stop tweaking the load yet.

It's always nice though to have a really accurate load with lead-free stuff, isn't it?
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Old 03-26-2014, 12:23 PM
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I owned that rifle in 338 lapua. Your rifle can do much better. IMO it's not time to stop tweaking the load yet.

It's always nice though to have a really accurate load with lead-free stuff, isn't it?
I will try smaller increments and see what I get. Could be the shooter as well lol. But yes feels great to know something made in my garage was that accurate. Thanks for the input
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^^^^^ I was gonna say at 200 but what he said.
Why I say 300 is because you can see the groups open at what would be a far but yet comfortable shot. Also you can figure out your drop from your 100yd zero then split the difference and be in the kill zone from 100-300 yards.
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Agh I thought for zero. I zero all my magnum calibers for 200yds yeah stretch her out to 300 and see what she does.
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I have that same rifle and the only non lead I could get to shoot well was the Barnes Vortex and it shot Really good.
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Yes e believe I will zero at 200. In the book I should be 1.75 high at 100 yards and just under 4 inches at 300 yards. Will definitely verify this on my next hodge rd trip
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I am using the barnes bullets. But I have not tried their ammo.
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I will try smaller increments and see what I get. Could be the shooter as well lol. But yes feels great to know something made in my garage was that accurate. Thanks for the input
When you nail the charge, try seating the bullet deeper and deeper, not kidding. I have found that copper solids (barnes and E-tips specifically) in my guns (and that included the 111lrh I owned) preferred a long jump to the lands, and it had a drastic positive effect on performance.
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When you nail the charge, try seating the bullet deeper and deeper, not kidding. I have found that copper solids (barnes and E-tips specifically) in my guns (and that included the 111lrh I owned) preferred a long jump to the lands, and it had a drastic positive effect on performance.
I am looking to get a LRH as well. Seeing the bullets deeper does not create excessive pressure. I apologize in advance if this is a dumb question. These are my first rifle loads ever. Still very new to reloading
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He means seat them deeper if you arent already seated at your minimum overall length. Its never a good idea to seat a smaller oal than what your book(s) list.
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it can, but not always. That's why, when you nail the optimum charge, you seat incrementally down, and not just jump deep into the case.

take your press to the range. shoot a few. Then screw the seater plug deeper and seat a few loaded rounds and shoot. Then screw the seater plug down a little and re-seat still more rounds then shoot.

zero wasted components and you get your test data right away.

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Doesn't adding more powder create excessive pressure? Same answer. Of course it will, eventually. That's why you work up slow.
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Ok I see. Will keep that in mind when I get the load tuned in
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